Re-writing the history of boxing: WBO belt

It’s a pointless thread until he stays out of boxing long enough for people to stop hating and remember him for his prime instead of loses to Parker and Zhang.

 

Kinda pointless I suppose as he is one of the more hated boxers. I actually want to know were people would rate him though.

 

He should be a spot or two ahead of Bowe and Witherspoon.

 

I called him the worst Larry Holmes opponent yeah I'm his knight in shining armor. I'm just asking how terrible is someone like Frank who drew with Snipes and had wins over Stander and Wepner? Lets say hes a Wilder WBC caliber opponent hes one guy. Wilder had 6 of them. Frank was undefeated and finished his career 22-1-1.

 

You can look at Holmes’ reign and find guys who were even worse than Frank.

 

Like who? Zanon and LeDoux? Cobb? None of whom are bad or undeserving fighters. Just not as good as others.

The point is the HW champs with a ton of defenses have great SOS's with only a few fights at a lower level. And theres really nothing to criticize here thats remotley in the same ballpark as the dark WBC years.

 

Not sure were those guys are rated but Bowe on here tends to get a Fury/AJ like rating on here maybe higher or lower depending.

 

If you did a poll on here asking them to be ranked based on their careers, my guess is the results you'd get would be:

Bowe
Fury
Witherspoon

AJ

Wilder

 

It’s sentimental. He’s a guy who threw his belt in the trash whereas Wilder did what the WBC asked of him. And Povetkin’s PED tests made the WBC look more lenient than they actually were.

 

Probably. It's not completely uncommon for AJ to ranked over Fury even though more people would probably lean to Fury.

With Wilder it wouldn't surprise me if quite a lot of people wouldn't have him in the top 100 heavyweights.

 

I've not checked, but AJ may have slightly more wins over ranked contenders than Fury, but Fury beat an active Wlad 2-years younger, AJ doesn't have another win as good as Fury's 2 (3 based on majority scorecards) over Wilder (Povetkin had a better career than Wilder imo, but was well past prime by the time AJ got to him), Fury did slightly better vs Usyk than AJ and Fury doesn't have the losses to Ruiz & Dubois. I don't rank active fighters in all time sense, i.e. based on their entire careers, but I suspect I'd have Fury above AJ if I did.

Yes Wilder, and to perhaps a slightly lesser extent like Bowe & Fury, given they've been mentioned, is difficult to rank because he faced relatively few ranked contenders (excluding rankings of the alphabet soup). He's probably better than a good few HWs who beat more ranked contenders than him, but beating a wider range of world class HWs would have given us more confidence of that. I've already said I don't rate active fighters in all time lists & my HW list goes down to 25, so I haven't done the detailed analysis to be sure, but I strongly suspect if I did, I'd have Wilder comfortable inside the top 100 HWs of all time.

 

Ali and Lucien Rodriguez, and you’re welcome to include the others that you’ve named. I have no clue what that abbreviation is either.

 

I only really have a heavyweight top 5 which for me is Ali Louis Holmes Lewis Wlad after that I struggle even with top 10 and 20 let alone with a top 100. I suspect if I was forced to do some sort of top 100 Wilder would fall close to 50 give or take. Despite his weakness he still achieved a lot which can't really be ignored.

I tended to give Fury a slight nod of AJ as well. Fury also looks to have a bit more left in the tank but let's see how there careers will end. I respect AJ for taking more challenges than Fury did and when he was champion he seemed a more consistent champion than Fury. I think if they fight it will answer a lot.

 

Lucien was an EBU champ. He was better than Coopman went splitville with Zanon. Luciens certainly on the lower end but I wouldn't put him last. Ali was lineal champ. Holmes kinda had to fight him when he came back. It is what it is.

Its "Strength of Schedule".

 

lol. Ask yourself if you’re fooling me before you post next time.