Re-writing the history of boxing: WBO belt

Michael Carbajal would've been 3-time light flyweight champion,and his resume would shine even lesser.

His notable wins would only be: Will Grigsby, Humberto Gonzalez, Jorge Arce and Melchor Cob Castro,plus Arce would've been downgraded further for being green and didn't even hold a notable belt yet.

 

He was 38 when he first fought Wilder. Shufford and McCline never beat a top 5 contender. Jennings beats 2000 Brewster. Stop spreading misinformation.

 

Not really. The Ring gave him favorable rankings for having their unsanctioned belt, but no he wasn't at Wilder's level when he was beating Schwarz and Wilder was beating Ortiz.

 

They're better than top 50.

 

I was going pretty rough of head he could well be a lot higher than that.

I definitely rate the modern crop of heavyweights a lot higher than most people.

 

There was indeed a lot of disinformation around his age at the time, so They got me ). Thanks for the correction. 38 years old then, spring chicken.
The ranking at the time of the fight is often circumstantial. Fighters are not necessarily worse when They are not ranked (Ortiz was not ranked when He fought Jennings, so if Jennings beat him - would it have been meaningless?). You're too caught up on it, like the Duran vs Mayweather thread showed, where You put more value to Mayweather beating "Number 1" Baldomir than Duran beating "not ranked" Ernest Marcel.
The issue with Ortiz is - Jennings is all He got, so it's hard to judge him accurately. With McCline in particular, had a good run on solid level, fighting plenty of former champions and contender.

As for Jennings beating 2000 Brewster. Good question. I liked Jennings, maybe He'd get it done - but big chance He'd get chinned as well. Brewster was always erratic. Right after beating Klitschko He arguably lost to Kali Meehan who was no better than Etienne or Shufford. He certainly wasn't a whole different fighter in 2004-2005 comparing to year 2000 when He suffered two early career losses.

 

Their ratings treat it as if he never tested positive for steroids and retired. Wilder was the champion to people in the U.S. at that time.

 

Ortiz outperformed Wlad Klitschko on common opponents and is the only guy who Malik Scott couldn’t take rounds off of.

 

Yeah 2 opponents who Wlad beat marginally less easily. By the way I rate Ortiz, Jennings, Thompson and even Scott more highly than most people. All 4 are underrated as hell. But come on man. "Ortiz outperformed Wlad Klitschko on common opponents". Yeah its 2. 2 opponents albeit blue chip ones.

Wlad is the only guy a lot of somebodys couldn't take rounds off of.

Monte Barrett Wlad beat easier in his prime while Ortiz retired him. If you were bringing up Monte Barrett. The fact thats a non title opponent for Wlad given how extensive his resume was is kind of insane btw.

 

You're right to mention Malik Scott to be fair. Their fight was so awful I brushed it off my memory, but Malik was a good boxer. Not sure if He was still in his prime at the time, but it was a respectable win.
As @HistoryZero26 mentioned - the "outperforming" angle is stretching things. Tony Thompson was 45 years old (I checked now so that You don't correct me on some inaccuracy!), I guess We could mention 43 years old Monte Barrett too, but it's getting silly at this point.

I would not say that Ortiz outperformed Wlad against Jennings by the way. They both had their issues, as I remember Jennings was coming on when He walked into big punch (an uppercut?) and Ortiz was making excuses after the fight about being sick. Fight that ends in a knock-out is not necessarily easier than fights that endes with decision.

 

Ortiz totally outperformed Wlad. Jennings gave Wlad a tough fight.