Real Story on Greb-Flowers I & II/

LOL! He's always so quick to lay down a bet ..... not so quick to pay up

 

And you wanna go around on these forums claiming you gave me ALL my information on Greb .

Did that ****** trial prove I said this?
What's your IQ buddy?

 

What it proved is that you are a blowhard who shoots off at the mouth pretending to know more than he does and pretending to be some major influence on people who have actually accomplished something that you never will. Then when you get called out on it youll to cover your own ass. The bottom line is for years, in your own mind, you thought you were THE expert on Greb. In that time, when all you can show for this supposed massive amount of research is a trailer which has absolutely nothing to do with Greb except for showing a bunch of dead "B" movie stars saying his name, someone came along and completed a comprehensive project on the man and you were so green that you had to try to lay claim to it. If you are going to pretend you are this major influence on me (which is laughable because all you can say you contributed to my project is that you told me about Buck Glenn -which you didnt and who wasnt in my book, told me about a Boxing Blade article -told me about, not gave me, and which Clay Moyle had already given me 2 years earlier, and gave me a service record that I already knew where and how to get -and which, again, wasnt even used in the book) why not release your trailer so all these people can compare the quality of your work with the quality of mine? No? I didnt think so.

 

Expert on Greb? Was I alone in that Steve??
How many times back when you usta call and call and call sommore-
did you tell me you wanted a portion of your book to feature an interview of Moi? A bunch. Tell the truth!
Also, recall you emailing and asking me to join an online frey concerning Harry.
You gave me a grand intro to the forum as the wonderful Greb expert. And how many email questions did you send me over the years btw??
Allot more then you mention. I still have them too. Its was an ongoing relationship spanning many years.
Aways you questioning me. I can't recall asking you a single one.

Your book is your book, people enjoy it, congrats.

But if you think after all the above, you're gonna start your bull**** twerpy clever nose tweaking, after all the kindness, generosity and humanity I've provided you're gonna get responded to!

 

Oh, so now I used to call and call and call. Whatever Ed. You are so ****ing nuts its ridiculous.

Why would my book FEATURE an interview with you? Why? Anyone who has read my book knows that I didnt once step outside of the narrative to feature an interview with a modern individual. I guess you think you are so special that I would have done that for you. Only one of us has asked the other to be a subject of their project and thats you. After I shut your bull**** claims down you came begging to me to be in your imaginary documentary. I can prove that. All you can do to save face is lie and pretend my book was going to feature you. As if.

Here is the thing Ed. Lets pretend I asked you all these questions (which for the sake of argument go ahead and reproduce the actual emails you say you have). Why, if you were so helpful, can you not tell me anything you gave me? Why is it that the one thing you bring up here isnt even anything we EVER discussed?

I did give you credit when you joined this forum. That doesnt mean you are infallible Ed. That was also long before you made a major ass of yourself by trying to pretend I was your ****ing student and that you had been this major influence on my book! And thats kindness and generosity? **** Ed. The fact of the matter is that we talked a handful of times and that there was literally ZERO crosss polination in our projects. NONE. You know it, I know it, and the fact that you cant come up with Jack **** you gave me proves it.

This bull**** about nose tweaking is just you pissed off because you got called out on trying to post some bull**** that you didnt know anything about. Or do you want to expand on your little fairytale that Greb said he and Tiger drew and that Tiger was wearing the cuffs. You know what, come to think of it when you started all this ****, saying you were my mentor, it was because I had corrected another one of your mistakes about Greb's girlfriend Louise Walton. Sounds like someone doesnt like it when their fantasy about controlling the legacy of Greb is popped.

Like I said, when can we expect your trailer to be released? Its only been twenty years Ed. Come on and show all these people your work so they can see how comprehensive an expert you are. What percentage of the overall project would you say is complete?

 

Bob Mee is a hack and a paint by numbers historian.

 

Right!!
You corrected me on Grebs girl Helen louse Walton whom i recollected hosting in a Fla Hojos towards the end of her life.
That exchange began with you asking for me for info, yet again, and i shared what i could, which was substantial and kind as WAS my long legacy with you. My error boys and girls??? The Hojos was elsewhere in the sunbelt, not Fla!!

I'm left to suppose what preceded it was acceptable?

Pivot!

Dear Dr Phil,
I'm having trouble with an online critter and hes good, damn good.
Somethings amiss with his sole actually.
Think Churchill quote. "The Hun is either at your feet out at your throat"
He started out in my life calling constantly. Seemingly a good guy, flattering as hell, sweet music to my ears!

Over a series of calls he said and repeated on subsequent calls he wanted his book to feature an interview of me.
(I'm going after my phone records in an impassioned letter to a CEO)

You see Dr I have some expertise that was first singled out by a man named HANK KAPLAN
among others.



Dr Phill please lets call into play you super duper lie detector. Hes good. Hes got me on the run.


But before we do, Id like to offer a side bet to all interested parties.
I guarantee I pass!!

 

Somebody else was kissing your ring-piece in post #9 of this old CBZ thread as well:

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Thanks Turner
iou

 

Once again you twist the facts. I sent a single sentence email in 2012 asking what you thought of Sally Bronis. Your reply was that you tracked her down forever and couldnt find anything on her after the 30s. Again, adding absolutely nothing to what I already knew about her. I then followed up and asked you if you thought her and Harry were as close as the papers reported. Your response was that Harry called her a gold digger. Again, nothing I didnt already know. So, the idea that you somehow expanded my understanding of anything is beyond laughable. You cant play coy and then pretend that you were somehow this great help to me. I asked you if you knew anything about her connection to Louise Walton and the only information you came back with on Walton was incorrect. So please explain to me how you think it is that all of the above was some great help to my project? Can you read my book and honestly say that anything I wrote about Walton or Bronis was derived from any of the three emails we traded on the subject? No. So please dont try to lay claim to that body of work. Or claim it was in any way substantial because if need be I can reproduce those emails right here for everyone to see, of course the vast majority of that body of text from you is talking about how JJ turned out to be a disappointment to you and how you wanted to talk to me "in secret" about it and begging me not release or reveal anything about that disastrous joke of a trailer you (your lifes work you called it, LOL, your lifes work is a shitty trailer, sad) made. Should I post those emails Ed? They also have you asking me whether Engel was in Tunney's corner for their second fight and I actually answered your question (something you never did) does that mean Im going to be able to take credit for your imaginery project that will never come out? Its up to you but please remember who comes off as the nut, the ****, and the guy who doesnt know his ass from his elbow...

Again, never, ever once did I say my book would feature an interview with you. Thats just ridiculous Ed. I interviewed people who knew Greb and Red Mason and have audio interviews with men who fought Greb. None and I repeat NONE of those interviews are featured in my book and they had a HELL OF A LOT more information than you have and a million times more information than you provided and yet somehow you want people in here to pretend my book was going to feature a deluded self important nincompoop like you? HA. Anyone who has read my book knows that an interview with anyone from the modern era would be completely out of place, and anyone who has read my book knows that your assertion is laughable within the context of the structure of the book.

Get those phone records. I would love, DEARLY LOVE, for everyone here to see just how many times we spoke over the course of a decade. You think you look stupid now? Wait until these people see just how few times we talked. Then maybe I'll dig up my phone records and show how many times I talked to real boxing historians who contributed mightily to this project and you can see just how minor your supposed input was. Which brings up a good point: Why would I give those guys all of the credit in the world and leave you out? I would gladly admit that Im a student of someone like John Ochs and have a lot to learn from him. Id be honored if he were on forums talking about how much he helped me. Why, if you helped me so much, would I take such issue with it?

Hank Kaplan once spent half an hour trying to convince me that John Ruiz would beat Lennox Lewis. He spent about the same amount of time once telling me how wonderful Jose Sulemain was. He spent a similar amount of time once telling me how New York was never biased against outside fighters... Hank was a great archivist and good historian but he wasnt infallible.

Frankly it matters little to me whether Mike DeLisa or Hank Kaplan "kiss your ring" the bottom line is that you tried to take credit for work that you had nothing to do with. Furthermore, if you are the expert you claim to be why do you have a hissy fit every time someone points out your mistakes a la Louise Walton, Tiger Flowers wearing the cuffs, or Greb saying his fight with Flowers was a draw? I mean when it all boils down to it this all started because you, the expert who likes to get his ego massaged, got caught trying to polish a turd and still havent been able to refute anything Ive said. Period. Why dont you actually make like a real expert and back up the bull**** you posted that started this with something tangible instead of paraphrasing a wire report reprinted in a newspaper from Flowers' hometown that was nowhere near the fight or Greb when he conducted the interview? Its funny how you are (rightly) so slavish in your devotion to actual first hand accounts but then when you find something juicy that you can drum some sensationalist garbage with you are so willing to latch onto a misquoted wire report. Is that good research? Is that being an expert or a good historian? I think not.

I had the exact same conversation about you with Luckett Davis (who was also more help with this book than you despite me having a total of two conversations with) ten years ago. He could never understand why you were so convinced that Flowers beat Greb in Fremont. I cant either because when you look at all of the ringside reports they overwhelmingly in Greb's favor. For you to now latch onto an argument from a biased source which is misquoting an article it got second hand tells me all I need to know and should be a pretty clear indicator to those who are familiar with my work that our projects are separate, our methods are different, and one of us is driven by an agenda where the other is driven by finding the facts. Were I indeed influenced by you my work would be a lot less solid than it is and instead of having finally completed my book after 11 years I would have only completed a advertisement for it after 20.

You know what? **** it! You are such a lying dick maybe I should just release your trailer. I mean its an advertisement, thats what its for. Its your "lifes work" what do you say? Should it go up on youtube tomorrow? Say the word! Stand behind your work "expert". Im sure people will be coming out of the woodwork to "kiss your ring." Thats what you want right? People to bow and acknowledge your greatness? Well? What do you say? Can I post it? If not why? And dont send me any emails behind the scenes begging me not to I want your answer here. I mean, you worked on this trailer for twenty years, it should be phenomenal right? Lets see how many people kiss your ring when they realize youve never really offered anything of substance on the subject you are a supposed expert on and that your "lifes work" is a piece of dog **** wrapped in burnt hair that a three year old could have cobbled together (and more successfully than you I might add).

 

Funny. I almost didn't bother to look and it ends up being me.

I met Ed possibly back in 2005 or so out w some friends in a pub and he was a very nice guy and was talking nonstop about Greb that evening, fights, dates, ect. That being said in the years that passed I've grown to learn of Steve and there's pretty much no one I'd say tops him as a historian .

That being said you are obviously a troll of some sort playing multiple identities to go out of your way to pull that out with all fifty of your posts. I'll keep my eye on you.

 

I appreciate the kind words HE. Im not looking for anyone to "kiss my ring" as Turner puts it or to have my "expertise singled out" as Ed puts it. I just have a major problem with someone taking credit for something they have no business taking credit for, especially when that something is mine and based on years of hard work. Ed can take credit for his project if and when he completes it, and I have no doubt hed be just as pissed off if I tried to lay claim to his work based a few phone conversations, until that time he needs to realize that the culmination of my work had next to nothing to do with him and the little that he did contribute was duly noted.

 

Steve you've done it now.
After telling how many lies and "speaking on your honer"..you have zero...you admit you have my property!
And this was prior to any impasse we had.
Return it at once. I've already called the cops! And these are cops I grew up with!

Also you've avoided my challenge. In your early greb days you called allot.
You got plenty good information from a "VERY nice guy"
You said on more than one occasion you wanted an interview with me to be in your book.
On that I guarantee I polygraph and pass.
We can put the $$$$ up front and the looser, you!! pays upon the result.
Do i sound confidant?

 

okie-dokie Harald