REAL TALK: FACT=Brook Quit, Fact=Brook is a Quitter, he's still a tough bloke and no coward!!!

He quit man, not just once but twice. Doesn't make him a coward and he is still braver than most men but ultimately in those two fights he quits.

 

Lets be honest Kiwi noone uses the exact dictionary definition of words in everyday conversation, Brook quit on two occasions in my eyes that means he's a quitter. However he wasn't always a quitter against Jones he took all types of punishment and stayed in there but now he's stepped to world level he has shown he is more than willing to throw in the towel when the going gets too tough for him. However I don't consider him coward or the same type of quitter as Nicholas Walters and I'm still a fan of his skills.

 

'for his eyes' too...

 

He's not a quitter. A quitter is somebody who quits without giving it his all/at the sight of first trouble. That's a quitter. These do exist in boxing of course, but VERY rarely at top level. Brook is not a quitter.

We need to stop pushing this narrative that only suicidal kamikaze type guys are warriors/aren't quitters. It's ridiculous. It's same with "chin talk. Anything short of Chuvalo chin is considered a glass jaw. There's middle grounds.

 

Well, in everyday conversation "quitter" is a synonym of "coward", "defeatist", "shirker". It does not simply mean "one who quits".

I agree that Brook quit. But calling him a "quitter" while saying he's not a coward is a bit of a contradiction, because the two words are essentially synonyms now.

 

Btw here's the definition of quitter.

quitter
ˈkwɪtə/
noun
informal
noun: quitter; plural noun: quitters

1. a person who gives up *easily* or does not have the courage or determination to finish a task.
   "he's no quitter"

So even by definition he's not a quitter.

 

It doesn't take a PHD in psychology to work out why Brook took a knee when he felt the symptoms of another orbital fracture. After the GG fight he was told how close he came to losing his sight, and in the corrective surgery had his eyeball removed entirely during the procedure. That's trauma, right there. Probably dealt with the first instance as a freak one-off injury and thought nothing more until, boom, it happens again. At that point he's not only dealing with the double vision, and Spence's excellent work, by the way; he's dealing with the blind panic (literally) if he carries on he could lose his vision. That's not him speculating, that's him remembering what a specialist told him.

On a separate note, could it be years of weight-management has affected his bone density, as this can be a consequence of severe weight loss over an extended period? Nothing from his early career hinted at fragility but that''s two 'freak' injuries in successive fights. Surely, that cannot be explained as simply bad luck. It doesn't bode well for his future career, even at 154 because the damage may well have already been done.

I read in the build up to the fight he had to consume 500 calories per day fewer than he burns during heavy training. You try doing that - for two months - even without an intensive training regime and you'd find it hard. That's not good for the body over an extended period.

It seems Kell is very head-strong but I wish someone stronger had guided him to 154 after the GG fight rather than see the dollar signs of a stadium fight in Sheffield. Hearn is a great promoter, but he's a gambler and last weekend he gambled with Kell's career and health. And lost...

 

good points. production and loss of bone cells is controlled primarily by the level of stress, of the workload put on it. the severe weight loss you speak of is usually accompanied by inactivity.

 

My argument isnt if he had a reason to quit, its whether he did or didnt. Haye could have easily quit with one leg, but he fought on. Some people fight on like a Margarito, Briggs, Vasquez etc is it the best thing for their career or lives I don't know probably not but all I can say is they didnt quit on those occasions.

 

Quitter = Nicholas Walters. Lomachenko wasn't even hitting him hard enough and he just quit.
Quitter = Victor Ortiz (other than when he got his jaw broken very severely).

Kell is not these guys.

 

No my friend and a simple example will suffice to make my point. Both Brook and Walters quit, Walters situation was an act of cowardice imo whereas Brook's was not. Remember bravery, cowardice all of these things aren't fixed, its all contextual and lies on a continium, there's levels to being brave.

Brook showed some bravery in the 10th when he was getting beaten up and rallied back, however in the 11th Spence was coming on strong, Brook was gassing and doing blatant extreme blinking and tapping his left eye as indicator for his corner to save him because he wasn't prepared to get stretched out in front of his hometown or risk the eye.

 

Every time Brook gets hit in is wittle eye he quits. 1st Gigi and now this. What a ***** this guy is. David Haye of the WW division...

 

Brook was told after the GG fight 'Had the fight not been stopped when it was he may have lost his sight' The very next fight, the same thing happens again. I can see why he took a knee and looked for a way out. The most Haye would have suffered is a lifelong limp at worst and as for the others, did they suffer the same threat to eyesight in back-to-back bouts? He took the decision after getting up from a knock down in the 10th and gave it one last go to get Spence out of there. When that failed, when the vision got worse and when Spence came on stronger, I totally understand why Brook did what he did. You can't compare that to what Walters did. No way...

 

Kell is exactly Victor Ortiz. Same guy. Less pop than Victor though.