Realistic evaluation of Wilder

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  1. Bulawayo

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    You just gave dude a lesson:yep
     
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  2. SmackDaBum

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    I would totally call getting rocked as "struggled".
     
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  3. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fury
    Wlad
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    Him and Ortiz are #4 and #5, Ortiz has the best single win between the two of them but since Wilder is a title-holder with 3 defences, I'll give the edge to him For now.
     
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  4. andrewa1

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    Well, at least you put your money where your mouth is and listed the fighters. You look absurd, but props nonetheless. If Wilder fought most of these fighters, the first comment would be "what a duck, this is worse than Duhaupas". Spilzka would beat most of them imo.
     
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  5. andrewa1

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    Did Wlad stuggle with Wach? Wach stung Wlad worse than that.
     
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  6. SmackDaBum

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    If he were rocked, then yes of course. Wach is no little guy, he has struggle written all over him for anyone who dares to face him.
     
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  7. SmackDaBum

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    Please. at least check the fighters that I listed on Youtube. Take just a random name from the list like Bogdan "Dinu"

    Coming in at 6"5' with big power: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FrtmxLwG0E[/url]

    Just his size alone takes away Wilder biggest advantage - his height and reach, combined with his speed - which works great against smaller and slower fighters like Bermane Stiverne. Thus he can get away with it.
     
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  8. andrewa1

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    Fair enough. Your definition of struggle is just different than mine. I'd only call it struggle if they gave up more than one or two rounds or if many of the rounds were very close, or if someone was knocked down or badly hurt (not a debatable buzz). By your standard, almost every title fight in history has been a big struggle. Wlad had one of the most dominant title runs in history but probably the only fighters who he didn't "struggle" with would have been Mormeck, Pianeta, Leapai, and Austin. Holyfield and Ali struggled with everyone.
     
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  9. SmackDaBum

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    Of course he could, some of them would be close I think.

    But styles make fights, and Szpillka is quite short with short reach for the modern heavyweight division. Wilder could box with him from a distance. But it were closer than expected either way...

    If he were slightly taller with better reach it could have gone the opposite, really and I mean it.

    Adrian Granat for instance is just as tall as Wilder, also fast, but much heavier. I would bet my house on him to win.

    And I'm sure he also qualifies as a "no-namer" for you...
     
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  10. andrewa1

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    I've been aware of Granat and a lot of other promising big guy prospects for a long time. But all they are right now is prospects. Its naïve to think they would likely beat Wilder when to this point they've beaten no one in the top 30 and Wilder has beaten a half dozen in the top 30. Maybe one of them can, at least once they get some experience and confidence, but most or even a good chunk? At odds with reality.
     
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  11. SmackDaBum

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    Against real heavyweights that he didn't have the obvious height, and reach advantage against?

    Kelvin Price - legit top 30?
    Eric Molina - legit?
    Johann Duhaupas - legit?
    Audley Harrison - legit?
    Nicolai Firtha - Legit?

    Molina seems to be somewhere around top 50..

    I would say Wilder best win was Duahaupas, but is he top 30?

    Duhaupas is the only name that I maybe would have added on my long list of opponents that I would take over Wilder.
     
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  12. andrewa1

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    Duhaupas is clear top 30, I'd say clear top 25, he beat Charr, who most considered fringe top 20 up till that point. Harrison and Price were both fringe top 30-35. Molina I have between 40-50, although if he fought and beat Adamek in the rumored fight, that would obviously change. Most of the big guys on your list haven't yet beat someone remotely at that level yet, and also aren't even at that level themselves. Wilder's beaten 5 of them, do you really think most of those guys would do the same? Because that would be an atypical success rate for prospects. Historically, most of them will flame out and just hover in that 30-50 zone that Harrison, Price, and Molina have made a home at, winning some, losing others against other top 30-50 comp and never beating someone at Wilder's level.
     
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  13. Richmondpete

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    Wilder really is the type of guy who's only as good as the best guy he's beaten. We won't know until we know
     
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  14. theanatolian

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    [url]http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?p=17396940#post17396940[/url]

    Here is a thread about top25 HWs on last August, before Wilder-Duhaupas and Povetkin-Wach. I had Stiverne at #11 and Szpilka at #24.

    [url]http://www.boxingforum24.com/showpost.php?p=17396940&postcount=12[/url]

    Scott now cracks in to top20 with his win over Thompson,but there's no way has Kelvin Price ever been top50 since he's never beaten any top100 HW, let alone top30.
     
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  15. andrewa1

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    Forgot to compare Takam's resume to Wilders, so I edited my original post to add him. It really gets crazy when you break down their resumes. By resume, Takam isn't remotely in Wilder's league, although I actually think he'd have a half decent chance h2h.
     
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