Realistically, what can Hopkins against Pavlik?

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  1. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Hopkins throws no more than 40 punches a round, in fact, against Calzaghe, i think he was below 20 from round 6 on, with 10+ clinches and a few headbutts per round.

    Pavlik, despite being a huge puncher, throws a very large amount of punches as well. Hopkins will be outworked in almost every round and this will make banking rounds hard, despite his skill.

    That would've been okay if he was a big puncher, but that he isn't, either. Pavlik will be in a higher weight class, but i still don't think Hopkins has enough pop to hurt The Ghost here. I think he'll hold his own and perhaps do well for the first few rounds, like he did against Calzaghe, but Pavlik will take over sooner than later and give him a lot of trouble. He already had to fake low blows and cheat to the canvas to win time against a non-big hitting Calzaghe.


    Admittedly, Pavlik's defence isn't great, so Hopkins could use that to his advantage, but on the flipside, one of the reasons his defence isn't good is because he's always in position to counter punch and taking risks.
     
  2. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Obviously there is a logical outcome to this fight, but I don't know, I just have a feeling that B-Hop might roll back the years..

    But as things are, we have the somewhat over-rated great white hype Pavlik, v old man B-Hop. It's not really the fight anyone wanted is it?
     
  3. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    Hopkins is better than nearly anyone I have ever seen at nullifying offense. Pavlik's jab will disappear after about the 3rd round, and he'll be following Hopkins around the ring trying to set up powerful shots, being predictable which at times he tends to be, and open to counters.

    I see it going somewhat like Calzaghe-Hopkins, B-Hop landing the cleaner more effective punches, Pavlik throwing a lot more and possibly landing more, but Hopkins gets a deserved win because Pavlik will not land as many as Calzaghe, he doesn't present the same kind of pressure that Calzaghe does, his is more practical, and therefore easier for Hopkins to deal with.
     
  4. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    See Hopkins/Wright. The old man is capable of greater output than people are generally considering at times.
     
  5. Bazooka

    Bazooka Pimp C Wants 2 Be Me Full Member

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    The work rate of Hopkins is exactly why I Think this is a dangerous fight for him especially at his age, However what Hopkins does well is fighting on the inside and making things rough for anybody who is stupid enough to sit inside with him.

    if you notice both Pavlik Taylor fights, when ever JT would sit inside the pocket and let his hands go in combonations it was as if Pavlik had no defense for that on the inside, but Pavlik was smart enough to keep it mostly an outside fight.

    Hopkins is a destroyer on the inside this is his game and he is the best at what he does, look at what happend to Trinidad and Joppy, Hopkins knows that staying outside is a dangerous spot to be against Pavlik who likes to have you on the tail end of his shots, so I fully expect Hopkins to sit inside and work.

    I really think that is Hopkins only chance get all the way in and fight dirty, and when he is on the outside keep using them feet to avoid getting tagged with something big, However I dont think at this age Hopkins will pull it out, sooner or later a Pavlik upper cut is going to find home and when that happens its going to be a sad moment in the sport in which we see another legand get beaten at the hands of a younger fighter.

    But there is a slight chance at the impossible and I think Hopkins is a guy who can pull it out but I am not betting on it.
     
  6. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Bernard is gonna slice'em and dice'em
     
  7. TommyV

    TommyV Loyal Member banned

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    Make him miss. Counter him. Put him on the canvas.

    Pretty simple really.
     
  8. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well...

    Hopkins can take away the jab and create a situation Pavlik has never been in before: the other guy taking over and controlling the fight. It's a good one to begin with.

    Or: Nard landing crisp shots at full LHW power (that decked Tarver and Calzaghe, two iron chinned fighters.)

    How about: making it ugly, cutting the distance short, neutralizing Pavlik's speed and reach advantage with inside fighting and timing and capitalizing on the fact that Taylor landed HALF OF HIS POWER PUNCHES in the second Pavlik fight (65% in the first fight which is the most bizarre number for a P4P-er ever).

    Hopkins also can use his superb defense and slick style which will create a situation Pavlik has never been in: dealing with punches from funny angles, being full alert on Hopkins' head movement, being frustrated by not landing the jab therefore not able to set up the combinations. Also Pavlik could find himself vs. a physically stronger man (I think B-Hop was AT LEAST 190 vs. Calzaghe), also he could feel a bit slower at 170 with less power in his punches and stonger shots coming back. Also a lot of hugging, getting off-balance, borderline shots, everything Hopkins used in the last decade.

    There's still a lot of things Hopkins can do and pulling off an upset is definitely not out of the question...
     
  9. Taylor_brogdon

    Taylor_brogdon Active Member Full Member

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    I completely 110% agree. Hopkins is without a doubt one of the best counter puchers to every grace the sport. His ring savy is unmatched in this generation in terms of sure brain. This man was born to fight and knows how to fight, like Roy Jones and James Toney he knows all the tricks of the trade and can nullify any and every offence that Pavlik, an AMATEUR compared to Hopkins, can throw at him. His age is only a minor setback. As he showed against Calzaghe and Wright and Tarver, under-estimating this man is the BIGGEST mistake that someone can make.
     
  10. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What can Hopkins do against anyone? Is that a trick question or is this not supposed to be a question at all? Hopkins is the craftiest fighter in the Game alongside Roy Jones... It doesn't matter what Pavlik has or hasn't got, it doesn't even matter what Bernard doesn't have and used to have - how can anyone fight an experienced, skillful and tricky top fighter and expect a walk in the park? Nobody is the answer.
     
  11. wushu

    wushu Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Countering the **** out of him and ruffing him up. Confuse the clumsy kid.
     
  12. wushu

    wushu Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Thats how i see it playing out.
     
  13. FanManII

    FanManII Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I see hopkins being chewed up and spit out.
    I think Pavliks workrate will be too much as was calzaghes.
    Hopkins even tried to cheat in the fight with Calzaghe , claiming to have been hit low so as to get a rest.
    He looked like he wanted to quit.

    Pavlik makes hopkins quit somewhere between rounds 8 and 12
     
  14. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    You mean "DO"?

    Move . . . tie him up . . . sneak in few punches and make him look bad . . . then cry he was robbed again. :D

    What do you expect??? :deal

    :lol: :lol: :lol:
     
  15. Bodysnatcher

    Bodysnatcher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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