Reality Check Time! Oleksandr Usyk is Still The P4P Number One Fighter On The Planet. This Is Why...

Apologies, sometimes life doesn't afford time for hobbies and as much as you try the best you can muster is rushed.


I don't properly understand what you mean when you say the HW champion is the p4p best. He is simply the best. No modifier needed. One doesn't even need the HW bit. The champion is the champion.

The entire point of the p4p adjective is to circumvent the HW champion's status above all of boxing. George Gainford started it as a means to promote SRR despite him not being a HW and ever since smaller than HW stars have had a blue print for how to become household names without having the mass to beat the best of the big guys.

We have plenty of interpretations these days, and because of the nonsensical nature of p4p, lists, champions, ratings, etc. I don't mind or protest when following a laid out criteria, like resume based, or h2h based, etc, but when asked and given no metrics to judge by I assume the implication is using my own metrics. My own metrics are just fascination with fan's emotional attachment to ephemeral ideas.

Knowing p4p become popular in the SRR era, it's kind of modern right? Knowing it starts as a promotional tool as well, that alone tells you how quickly moods and ideas about p4p and consensus can shift.

So I don't actually have any means to in any earnest fashion argue in favor of Usyk. I could, at best, adopt another's explanation and run with that but the nature of HW and P4P excludes HWs from p4p, imo.



**** ... let me make it more simple for the simple folks. Not talking down, it's just we all damn well know we have some simples reading.



Usyk is the greatest in all of boxing

Crawford is the P4P greatest in all of boxing

Usyk can not be the P4P greatest, no matter how great he is, because is is the greatest in boxing.

Crawford can not be the greatest in boxing because he's too small, he is the p4p greatest in boxing.

Simple version, stupid version for lack of a better term





A better deal, is a p4p better deal. The only reason you'd modify the better deal with p4p is if the better deal appears to be the worse deal by ratio measured.



IMO, Usyk has a very strong argument for GOAT, but a weak one fore P4P.



So there you go. Longer, more thought, several flavors, not much else to say but nah doe dog or some such similar lighthearted nonsense.


... ... ... ... ... A proper ellipsis is three so do a space and another three between for a long pause. There you go some disconnected anecdotal info ... I know I'm hitting that top poster level when I'm throwing anecdotes no one cares about, have nothing to do with the subject, and are more of a vehicle to talk about myself than the matter at hand.


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Still reading? Dope bro, must be intellectual to get this far. I hear smarty-pants types like poetry so, here you go:


The Laidley Wyrm

In the castle amongst the kindred
Tota was startled awake and filled with dread
Tlanuwa's shrieks act like trilling alarms
Sending men scattering for their arms

With the crash of thunder Tlanuwa attacks
The Wyrm now stunned, to its lair it retracts
Uktena Gilahi summons the court and the king
"It is not pleasant tidings I bring"

"Tlanuwa is far from her throne
Her power will fade if left all alone"
Said The Great Shaman of The West
Siegfried retorts "If dragon slaying is needed I am the best"

He brandishes Balmung to display his caliber
Arthur smiles and silently crosses with Excalibur
"NO!" Shouts Tota and Fionn in unison together
The King "I will face the beast among the heather"

Fionn Na Dragan called for his sword, the Solius
And his Gae Bulg spear, his eyes glowed with focus
As he places his antler crown on his head Fionn speaks "Only the gnome"
Arthur replies "Fionavar, You'll both end up among nettles and stone"

"My name is Tota, I run to where the brave dare not go"
Stood Tota, hands on his hips "To fight the unbeatable foe"
The King closed his court and sent away the courtiers
To make hasty plans incase of his own failures.

"Ready?" Asks Tota as he rubs together a handful of mystic runes
King Fionn nods and by the time he raises his head they're already in the dunes
"Tota! "Tota The Brave! Gnome from the glen!" Shouts Childe Rowland with care
Tota had transferred them to Rowland's location outside the dragon's lair

"We heard Ellen's voice, but could not understand her words"
Rowland tells the king "Wynd assumes what your kingdom affords"
The knight continues "I advised we hold fast for your majesty"
"But Wynd said he'd waste no time ending this tragedy"

"Estrella is with Childe Wynd, he will do well my lord"
King Fionn responds "The tragedy is in never receiving my word"
Tota caught Rowland up on the state of the affair
While recounting they heard Margaret's scream deep within the lair.

Deep in a desert cave saturated with blood
Childe Wynd fought The Laidley Wyrm covered in mud
He slashed and fought but he couldn't harm the thing
His mind was clouded with hate and the death it would bring

As the Wyrm took over the tide of battle
Wynd searched his heart to cause a rattle
He smiled as he thought of a song from their youth
He played it for Margaret and in doing so revealed the truth

The Wyrm was ready but it stayed that final bite
It erupted in flames with Margaret in the light
She speaks "Oh brother, stay your blade and give us kisses three"
Wynd's eyes grew large as sand dollars as he fell to his knee

When the bard breaks the tune the wyrm returns
He was able to steal one kiss before she burns
Fiery breath consumes the cavern
Lighting the way for Tota like a lantern

The dragon rears to strike, Wynd goes for his flute
"Do nae eat yer brut'er" Fionn lets Gae Bulg shoot
The dragon screams and Wynd plays again
and again Margaret can be found within

"Oh brother, stay your blade and give us kisses three"
Wynd trembled as he leapt for his sister "let me kiss thee"
He was able to deliver a second kiss before she became the wyrm
And though her response was fierce Rowland helped him stand firm

Rowland retrieved his sword and held it so Estrella could absorb the fire
King Fionn Na Dragan joined in with Solius raised a littler higher
Wynd played his flute for a third time, Tota used his hat as an amplifier
Once again the dragon explodes in flames and Margaret stands in the spire

"Oh brother, stay your blade and give us kisses three"
She says again as if in a trance, "Try not eating me"
Thinks Childe Wynd before he delivers the final kiss
Lady Margaret stood reborn, not one inch of her amiss

Fionn embraces his children while Tota readies their return
Rowland sheathes Estrella while sharing his concern
"What magic is this and how was it ended?"
Childe goes on "Are we sure their souls are not blended?"

King Fionn was unphased "A chance any father would take"
"My daughter is returned, and this, I will not forsake"
"Now Tota" Says the king full of thanks "Bring us back home"
"So that I may tell tales of this wise little gnome"

With a clap and a pop Tota did just that
Back at the kingdom, time the celebrate and get fat.
Burd Ellen and Wynd filled the halls with melodies
Retelling Tota's adventures and deeds with harmonies

Here's to bonds that stay close regardless of distance
And to the ones who never give up optimistic persistence
To Fionn, Wynd, and Rowland for being resilient and brave
And Tota, who never gives up when there's someone to save


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Have a good one bud, and just in case you take offense, I meant this to be fun not super dramatic or anything. I didn't mean to **** you off, I meant to make you smile. Sometimes I really read the audience wrongly and if that's the case I do apologize. For real dog, not my intention to be a jerk.

 

Crawford's history with Manny is a huge reason why I have zero problems defending his value to the sport.

LOL.....It's crazy people like the OP won't acknowledge the fact that Manny was, in 2015, signed to Top Rank. The same company that had Terence Crawford. Crawford expressed wanting that fight after he stopped Dulorme, which would have been easy to make if it was really wanted by the "powers that be"..... Given Crawford wasn't a household name, but he was a title holder and he was less than a year removed from DOMINATING an undefeated p4p talent in Yuriorkis Gamboa.

-Now, given, in 2015, the Floyd/Manny fight was made official for late spring. (Cinco de Mayo weekend). Diery Jean had petitioned to fight Crawford and his camp was being reckless in calling Crawford out. (Jean didn't even show up to the press conference, sent a cardboard cut out). After Crawford stopped him, he said again that he would like the Manny fight.... Bob Arum was dragging his feet after Manny's lost to Floyd.... Instead had Crawford fight THE ONLY opponent that was unranked in the division that he's faced since winning his first world title in Hank Lundy. After that stoppage. Crawford's camp sent a direct message to Freddie Roach stating they would like the match up to happen. Manny was preparing for his 3rd fight vs Tim Bradley, but through Bob Arum told Crawford that he has another fighter that they can gage his value both in the ring and box office with. Viktor Postol, who was also a title holder in the division. Bob Arum did ZERO marketing for that match up but had the fight on PPV. Crawford who was a huge name vs a name NO AMERICAN BOXING FAN knew beyond him being Crawford's opponent on PPV. Crawford 12-0'ed Postol, dropped him twice in the process. Now, Freddie was in no rush to put an aging Manny in the ring vs Crawford, and Bob Arum was assisting him of making sure it doesn't happen.

-Fast forward.....Manny's camp was running out of opponents on the Top Rank side and hinted to possibly leaving Top Rank for PBC. On his last contracted fight with Top Rank, Bob Arum sent him to Australia to fight some guy name Jeff Horn....lol. Fight should have been stopped in the 9th round but the ref let it continue because the mission in place was for Top Rank to keep a title on the Top Rank side being that PBC ruled the welterweight division. Horn obviously wasn't a tough enough opponent to defend it, so he gave that fight to Crawford after he became undisputed at 140.

-Moving forward.....the pandemic shut down the world. Boxers are competing in the bubble with no audience. Crawford again, after gaining more accolades and becoming a bit more popular, attempts to get the Manny fight. Now he has to deal with "the other side of the street" analogy that was created to keep Crawford from facing any of the PBC title holders. Manny says he'll do the fight for $28M.....Top Rank in that same weak agrees that they will put up the money for that fight to happen. Different source jump on it stating that the contracts are being drawn up.....The following weekend, Manny's camp up the price to $40M....a number that is hard to match being that there will be no gate. Only traveling, marketing, venue, purse, officials, doctor expenses, etc.......

Crawford left Top Rank for the sole reason that they couldn't get him the fights he's been asking, begging, and they been promising him with, which is why he re-signed with TR back in 2018. He was promised an opportunity to unify with the champions at the time. (Manny, Thurman, Spence)......

Just on the subject of Crawford chasing greatness his entire career, there are so many facts that can be found on the timeline to show just how respectable and professional he has always been, he deserves more credit for the things he has accomplished during his career. Not a single other p4p representative can be compared to the barriers they face in trying to create their legacy. Neither Usyk nor Inuoe had to fight the poltics that Crawford had to in order to accomplish what they accomplish.

 

%100

The only one who went through something similar was GGG during 2010-2016, being frozen out of the scene, unable to get other top dogs in the ring with him. (And he also had his passionate haters who spent years bending over backwards to blame everything on him haha)

Thankfully unlike GGG he didn’t get butt****ed by the judges and had his career defining moment against Canelo.

 

Usyk is the best thing sliced bread. Deal with it

 

Since people are so critical about TC's resume, what's so special about the guys Usyk beat at CW and HW?
Has anyone Usyk defeated at CW gone on to something big, or won titles after their loss and his move to HW?

 

Propose any other nation with the infrastructure to accomplish such a feat.

It's a bunch of words typed out to avoid the most obvious answer there is. British boxing was tiny. World boxing started under the US, spread by US officials, and was funded by US business. Today it's more global and more places have a say, but, where did it come from?


It is no different then when people question the proportions of populations and geography, why does England or the UK have so many fighters per their size? Maybe because they invented the ****ing sport maybe?


So, do you see disproportionate UK numbers? Yup. And US? Yup, should is be shocking or a mystery why? Nah doe dog.