Reality Check Time! Oleksandr Usyk is Still The P4P Number One Fighter On The Planet. This Is Why...

GOAT ? Usyk has no greats on his resume and beat 3 ranked heavyweights

 

My opinion is head to head Usyk would beat all heavyweights and cruiserweights in history.

 

Your opinion, one of many who disagree. Usyk beat 0 all time greats. End of

 

End of what? People can have different opinions lad. I think that Fury and Briedis are ATG's. Fury will be a first ballot HOF no doubt.

 

Inoue #1 on activity alone, you can't fight once a year and be #1 that's what's always helped Canelo stay in the top 10

 

And thats when your credibility goes down the toilet, aka your opinion. Briedis is elite but just shy of being an atg, you're stretching the term and this is hypocrisy because all you do is extend the list of historical greats for similar accomplishments. Fury being a great is hilarious stuff. 40 year old Wlad who is great but old and lost to aj in his next fight and we know aj isn't great. Wilder and Chisora are his next best wins. Fury doesn't deserve a higher ranking than Riddick Bowe. Fury isn't a great and Usyk beating 3 ranked heavyweights isn't going to age well when the next era has all the top guys fighting eachother, something this era failed to accomplish

 

So you are saying Crawford beat an ATG in Canelo? Why is Canelo an ATG great what other ATG's has he beaten? GGG? But then you could ask why is GGG an ATG what other ATG's has he beaten?

 

What does this have to do with anything ? Canelo achieved far more than Fury, was a dominant 168 pounder and cherrypicked less. Usyk hasn't beaten any greats but did i ever say Usyk wasn't a great ? No, I've called Usyk a top 10 heavyweight several times, so you failed on that approach.

 

You said that Usyk hasn't beaten any ATG's as if that was some sort of criteria to rank Crawford ahead of him now you are back pedaling on that. I don't think that Canelo has achieved more than Fury. Canelo unified a dead division and in reality was beaten by a 35 year old GGG. Say what you want about Wlad being older but he was undefeated for over a decade and Fury went to his backyard and beat him.

 

Nope, you're strawmanning and moving the goal posts. You claimed Usyk was the goat and I told you in response that he beat 0 greats and 3 ranked heavyweights which is why he isn't the goat. He doesn't even rank ahead of Pacquiao historically and he certainly doesn't have the best heavyweight resume. If we combine his cruiserweight and heavyweight resume along with his amateur record then he is is only marginally ahead of Holyfield and arguably doesn't even break into the top 5 heavyweights

Wlad was 40 years old and lost to aj in his next fight and we know aj isn't a great, feasted on old fighters from the Klitschko era like Takam, Pulev and Povetkin, got his ass beat by Ruiz and Dubois. Canelo achieved more than Fury, stop the BS. I know what kind of poster you are. You'll do everything to discredit Crawford because he's from the states

 

Now you are calling my character into question? I am just trying to have a healthy debate if it is upsetting you that was not my intention. I was actually enjoying a healthy debate and now you wan to ruin it with nationalistic trolling.

You are exaggerating and leaving out key details you suit your argument. First Wlad was 39 when he fought Fury and the AJ fight was after a 17 month lay off and Wlad almost won against the much younger undefeated opponent. Now you are talking about resumes well overall Usyk's is a lot better than Crawford's resume.

 

If Breidis and Fury are ATG then why isn't Spence ?

Is Breidis even better than Shawn Porter on a P4P level ?

 

Yep fair question. The general consensus among hardcore fans was that Spence was cooked by the time he fought Crawford. My opinion though Prime for prime I think Breidis was a better fighter than Spence and Porter I think that Breidis is criminally underrated by many and Usyk went to his house and beat him.
Spence was a good fighter in his day but he didn't really beat any other good fighters in their prime.
Breidis winning the WBSS for mine ranks him above Porter.

Canelo and Spence are the only names on Crawford's resume and both were past their primes.

 

Actually you can.

 

Because his performances have been so dominant that even with the blatant corruption, he has beaten it.