Reality Check Time! Oleksandr Usyk is Still The P4P Number One Fighter On The Planet. This Is Why...

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  1. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just like Fury, who's resume is partially held up by hypejob Wilder, but the big difference is Furys resume is trashed on by the one you claim has a record of smoke and mirrors and he got beat up by an mma fighter right before the Usyk fights, split decision. After actual speculation, Usyk doesn't have a better resume than Crawford, but even if he did, Usyk has yet to surpass Mayweather and Pacquiao off resume
    Crawford doesn't need the judges, never has. Usyk has never gotten robbed despite multiple competitive fights. Risk getting robbed ≠ fighting against corruption. Calling usyk pfp#1 is one thing, GOAT is another.
     
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  2. Cyrion

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    Turns out when you weight bully your entire career and are always bigger and longer than your mediocre opponents, you don't need the judges!

    Besides, lets not pretend Usyk truly had any squeaker fights except for possibly Briedis. The SDs against AJ and Fury were boxing politics through and through. People who know their boxing have Usyk the clear winner in both those fights. And that's against guys much bigger than him.
     
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  3. Serge

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    I'll come back to this when I can be bothered to explain it again. It's incredibly tedious having to keep doing so to morons
     
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  4. MarkusFlorez99

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    Wouldn't you say Usyk was weight bullying just a tiny bit at cruiserweight despite already fighting at super heavyweight in the WSB, beating Joe Joyce, Majidov and Nistor while having a bigger frame than most of his competitors at cruiserweight ? Crawford definitely isn’t as tall and lanky as Hearns so the question is how much does Crawford actually rehydrate compared to his opponents ? If he isn't outweighing them by several pounds in that ring I have a hard time calling it true weight bullying, the term has to have meaning after all

    Considering that Fury had his work cut out for him against featherfisted Cunningham and joshua got folded by Andy Ruiz, beating the bigger heavyweights while being 6'3 and 220 pounds isn't as insurmountable of a task as you think.
     
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  5. Serge

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    He won't ever fight Benavidez because Benavidez is ''too big''

    "My thing is Benavidez is a big dude. Not to say I won't fight him. I fought his brother and his brother was big when I fought him. The only reason why I entertain fighting Clenelo is because he's not a big dude. He might be thick but he's not a big dude. Benavidez is like 6'2'' and then he gonna come it at 190 . 200, probably. That's a big dude.

    Nah, it is to say you won't fight him and fighting his 147 brother at 147 is a silly comparison

    '' You just size them up. Size them up. Especially when you go into a bigger weight class. You size them up and see your advantages''

    Meaning physical advantages. He doesn't want to be conceding big physical advantages or he wants to be the one who has them.


    And this

    "I WAS STRONGER, PUNCHED HARDER THAN CANELO"

    “I was stronger, I punched harder and that was just it,” Crawford said. “A lot of people put too much into me moving up in weight and things like that. But like I told y’all once before, Canelo is not a big guy [5-foot-7½]. He’s a smaller guy fighting in a big weight class. Me and him is practically almost the same height. I’m a little taller [5-8]. My arms [are] longer.

    “He got a little wider frame, but he’s a little shorter. But all in all, we’re around the same size. So, by y’all saying, ‘Oh, Canelo’s this massive size,' it was disrespect. Then, when y’all seen me weigh in, then y’all say, ‘Oh, well, they about the same.' It’s not a big difference.''

    That's the whole point. Crawford has never even fought anyone much bigger than him and he refuses to do so to

    He's generally not been facing bigger guys when he moves up in weight. He's generally been a lot, significantly or bigger than them or at worst roughly the same size

    No one can even name one time in 42 fights from 135 to 168 he has even been giving away 10lbs or been at a reach disadvantage, let alone a big or huge one

    He might have been giving away 7-8lbs once or twice but how many times has he even been giving away 5lbs in total in all his fights?

    The fact he weighed more (albeit only by a pound and a bit) for his DEBUT in his 4th weight class at 154 than his career opponent at that weight did proves that resoundingly and he was super lean weighing that much

    This is him weighing 167.5 for Clenelo at 168, 33lbs and five divisions above his 1st weight, and he looks as lean as a greyhound with very low body fat weighing that

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    Imagine looking like that on the scales for you DEBUT in what would be his sixth weight class had he fought at 160 and people still want to pretend like he's some little dude and like he's been slaying giants as he ascends through the divisions when nothing could be further from the truth :lol:

    And when someone suggests he actually does fight someone considerably bigger or a lot bigger for the first time in his career they're like ''no way, that would be really unfair.'' He won't do it and they don't want him to ever do so

    Benavidez was coming in at 185-ish at SMW. He has a half an inch longer reach than Crawford

    Crawford clearly rehydrated a considerable amount of weight after the weigh in for Clenelo. I'd say it was at least 10lbs. That would make him just under 178. 7lbs or so lighter than what Benavidez said he usually came in at SMW

    Obviously Benavidez is the much naturally bigger man but if Crawford at 5'8'' can look as lean as a greyhound weighing 170 with very low body fat he's obviously a big dude and why shouldn't he ever have to fight someone much bigger than him who he's giving away the physical advantages too or big ones too if his fans are going to act like he's better than fighters who are not only doing that routinely vs giants they're giving away huge amounts of weight, natural size and reach too but even obscene amounts and doing so in their way bigger opponent's backyards or on the road and these giants are massive or very big punchers too

    Crawford isn't and never has been doing that and guess what it's way more easy to be ''dominant'' vs opponents you're much bigger than, bigger than, or roughly the same size as, who you always have a huge, big or reach advantage over, fighting them exclusively in your backyard/country all bar once in 42 fights, and with a few exceptions are are featherfists or average punchers at best. This shouldn't even need explaining to anyone :facepalm:

    Crawford: ''I'm not fighting that dude even in my country because he's too big and I don't do fighting much bigger guys''

    Usyk: ''I'll not only fight all these giants who are way bigger than me, these murderous or big punching giants who are way bigger than me and can punch holes in castle walls, I wanna fight them all in their backyards on a deck heavily stacked against me, and I don't care one bit what their fighting style is or how big their physical advantages are over me. I want them all ''

    Huge difference

    Crawford turned pro at 20, when Usyk was 20 he was campaigning at 165 and later that year 178 with same day weigh ins. Had he turned pro at 20 he would've done so at 160 or 168 and he would've have been rehydrating much weight blowing way up after the weigh in
     
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  6. theanatolian

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    Seriously, what the hell are you morons smoking?
     
  7. theanatolian

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    Neither Crawford nor Usyk have any wins over ATGs. Though It's not their fault, they always beat what's in front of them.

    Canelo is the one who comes closest, a first ballot HOFer but he falls just short of ATG. If I was to rank their wins based on the state of their opponents at the time of fights:

    1) Canelo
    2) Briedis (though this is based on the eyetest)
    3) Fury
    4-5) Tie between Joshua and Spence
    6) Gassiev
    7) Gamboa
    8) Postol
    9) Dubois
    10) Porter

    Could've added Glowacki instead of either Dubois or Porter.

    There really, really isn't much to seperate them. You can put Usyk ahead if you value having won most of his fights on away soil, you can put Crawford ahead if you value number of divisions conquered or having a W over a p4p ranked guy. All this back and forth, all this hysteria is ridicuolus.


    Edit: Forgot Madrimov too. I was very high on him as a prospect, but I'll reserve judgement until I see how his career unfolds.
     
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  8. Joeywill

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    I totally disagree
     
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  9. Joeywill

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    Unimportant thing

    Crawford beat Ricky Burns in England and beating Canelo in Vegas is winning as the away fighter anyway
     
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  10. Joeywill

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    There's never been a fighter who has the goal post moved more to argue against him than Terence Crawford
     
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  11. NoNeck

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    Madrimov and is obviously better than Dubois and closer to Gassiev's level. Postal was better than Gamboa considering his size and the point in his career. Gassiev, Postol, and Madrimov are all pretty much interchangeable.

    The list looks almost the same if you include Inoue's best wins.
     
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  12. theanatolian

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    I considered Madrimov as one of the best prospects in all boxing about 5 years or so ago, he's more talented than at least half of the list, but I need to see more of him. He needs to be more active and adjust his style to pros more or he'll end up with a career like Derevyanchenko.

    Inoue has a similar looking record to them too, but his overall names are a step below. Though he has more than enough time to catch up.
     
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  13. NoNeck

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    I’d also put Fury and Joshua above Breidis based on size. He’d lose to both in the ring, especially Fury.
     
  14. theanatolian

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    Fury would, not sure about Joshua. Briedis would touch him and AJ just doesn't recover. (unless his opponent is in their 40s with no killer instinct left)

    I placed MB higher because he was closest to his peak and presented the toughest style as Usyk always had more trouble with smaller and faster opponents than he did with behemoths including his amateur days.
     
  15. NoNeck

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    I can see a case for putting him near or above Joshua, but not Fury. People seem to forget or create their own narrative for his first fight with Usyk too. Fury really almost won that and would’ve won had he not gassed and gotten hurt.