Really neat rare footage of prime Ali sparring.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Shake, Dec 20, 2009.


  1. Shake

    Shake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Has this been posted yet? Just found it while rummaging about on Youtube.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7ViqZ1UV-E[/ame]

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecu-pisoM8g&feature=related[/ame]

    Looks like the best version of him.
     
  2. Hydraulix

    Hydraulix Left Hook From Hell.. Full Member

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  3. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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  4. Thats awesome. Especially picture quality.

    Any ali experts want to have a dig at when this was?
     
  5. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I get a feeling it was either before Liston I or II.

    Really interesting to see how he trained his inside game. In the first round he's exclusively intent on clinching, but in the second he gives it a go. Trains for both options.

    Great clips! Thanks.
     
  6. Shake

    Shake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He mockingly calls his sparring partner "Big Bear" once, so you're probably right. I wonder who his sparring partner is -- looks like a pretty decent fighter.
     
  7. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He does. But pretty small. A LHW perhaps? His style is similar to Liston's, though.
     
  8. BoxingFanNo1

    BoxingFanNo1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Beautiful on the back foot, countering is unreal.
    And once he gets the timing of the guy his speed and accuracy are fantastic.
     
  9. Shake

    Shake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He's not working on offense for most of the session, imo. When I see him work on this, I begin to understand why he was so comfortable in the ring, and also why he was able to do to George Foreman what he did so many years later.

    Controlling a man up close, holding the back of the head, leaning, pushing, stepping up the pace when he's tired, protecting yourself on the ropes and in the corners.

    It's like a contingency plan -- what if things don't go as I hope? What if I find myself in a rough patch? Programming the body to respond in the right ways due to experience. He's having his future defense grafted onto him with fists.

    Tyson and Foreman hammered sparring partners senseless, which is good for the ol' ego, but this gives me real insight into the unorthodox Ali defense. Maybe it wasn't all reflexes.
     
  10. Jear

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    I think it is Harvey Jones a heavyweight around in the early to mid 60s, he went by the name Cody Jones which would explain the "Cody" embroidered on his trunks. He worked a lot with Ali, and is not the light heavy Eddie "Bossman" Jones who worked with Ali later on in his career
     
  11. Jear

    Jear Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No if it is Cody Jones as i suspect he was definately a heavyweight
     
  12. Stevie G

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    Brilliant. An artist at work,indeed !
     
  13. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    It is Cody Jones, he seems to be giving Ali a good workout.Jones was around 200lbs when prime.
     
  14. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd bet that this is before the originally-planned rematch with Liston. It was set to take place at Boston Garden on November 16, 1964. Liston was training hard down in South Plymouth, MA. He got down to something like 208 lbs and was more motivated than he'd been in years. Then came friday the 13th. Ali was rushed to Boston City Hospital for an emergency hernia operation. The fight was called off.

    Liston lost momentum. In December he was in Denver, CO drunk driving and fighting ten cops who were only trying to get him into a cell. Liston spent that Christmas in jail. He dissipated further over the next 6 months, and headed up to Maine for another meeting with fate, emerging with another shiner.
     
  15. prime

    prime BOX! Writing Champion Full Member

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    Bingo! This is why Ali was The Greatest. You rarely saw him smothering an opponent like this at this stage of his career. But, as you say, his game was multidimensional and -layered. He knew exactly what he was doing: he worked over and over on the basics of his particular style and was perfectly honed to respond successfully to whatever he encountered in the ring.

    Had Foreman had something to fall back on in Zaire, he might not have been embarrassed. Had Tyson been thinking about making his fighting transcend mere moneymaking and partying, he might have found the right ideals to fulfill his true potential.

    Nobody attains greatness without sweating it out as we see in this extraordinary window into the Master's prime.