Reason why I'll never rank Vitali's bro above Lennox

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  1. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    well..Wlad has the technic. The athletisim. the speed (especially for a guy of his size). The power too...

    Unfortunately , (and yes , i know it's a cliched thing to say)
    but this guy's chin is garbage.

    If Wlad had Tua's chin...I'd probably already rank him in the top 5 atg.
    A guy of his size...and technic...there never was such a thing during Ali's era either...

    Unfortunately , his chin is even more fragile than Lennox's...

    Wlad vs Vitali....I'd still go for Vitali to win because even though He's not as polished as wlad is...At least He's more endurant and has a super solid chin..
     
  2. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Wlad has now mastered the same style that lewis did under Emanuel Steward. Only difference is the competition is worse. I dont see Wlad losing for a long time. The only way to beat him is to be aggressive, and Lewis had some challenges with guys like Mercer, and Briggs, Rahman, who made him fight for a while.
    Im sure Emanuel is thinking the same thing. Hes perfected his ring generalship, but what happens when a fighter can take the fire and get inside? We still saw some vulnerability in the Peter fight, and its going to happen again. An all time great has to master all facets of his game.
     
  3. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Here's a repost.... (worse in what way?...because americans aren't dominating?)...

    Here's the thing...Boxing's history could've been dramatically changed during the Henry Cooper vs Ali fight...
    Cooper owned Ali in that fight...
    but fortunately for him , His corner was a fast thinker...and saved his ass by gaining some time and gave Ali the time to recuperate...

    If Henry Cooper was able to pull that ****...

    just imagine what most of these eastern euros would've done..especially big and skilled ones too...

    there was no russian invasion back then.. If you're not being biased about it.
    You can't even call some of boxing's legends "best of the world" since 99% of their competition came from the united states...

    Hell even Lennox's record is slightly more international...(even though he only had to fight 2 or 3 eastern euros in his entire pro career)..

    It's all relative really..
     
  4. Mundo

    Mundo ****s the wives of every Full Member

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    uh... if it was garbage... peter would have knocked him out. sanders would have knocked him OUT... brewster would have knocked him OUT.

    instead... wlad got up and beat peter, ref stopped the sanders fight, and wlad was too tired to continue in the brewster fight.

    no... its not garbage.
     
  5. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Of course, this fight proved that Wlad's chin is garbage.
     
  6. claudius brown

    claudius brown New Member Full Member

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    Vitali would ko wlad & lewis would of killed wlad no doubt about it!!

    so yea i agree he will NEVER be ranked above lennox
     
  7. achillesthegreat

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  8. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wlad will never get ranked aboce Lewis because there is no big names out there for him to beat. There is no one against whom he can prove that he is truly great. Even if he is completly dominant from here on out and takes bombs that prove that his chin is great, people will say that he just dominated a weak division
     
  9. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    maybe so , but you're a part of it.
    I'll never change my view on this issue. Wlad's chin is too fragile. that's a huge weakness.
     
  10. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    (read above...my repost)..

    btw , if someone's gonna beat him , Povetkin is the man for the job.
     
  11. lefthook31

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    No worse in the way that the level of competition and skill is bad. Proof to this is the fact that there is no dominating fighters or fighters that can hold onto the title for more than two or three fights besides Wlad right now and he needs better competition to cement his legacy.
    It started getting bad with lewis, but comparing his competition to this current crop, its worse. The good news is Wlad is young and hopefully someone will come along.
    Its not relative, because the level of boxing skill, heart, and natural talent has fallen off so dramatically. Its like matching Floyd mayweather with Oscar De La Hoya, two guys who are or have been dominating fighters, and matching them against each other. We dont have that in the heavyweight division.
    Wladmir has improved dramatically, but he still shows he has some serious flaws when a guy can take his shots and get inside and make him fight. Weve seen him ko'd three times, and almost KO'd by Peter, so he is far from being an all time great.
     
  12. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    I could be part of a Nazi cult but it doesn't mean it's good.

    Wlads chin is so fragile that he can compile the record he has.

    Fact is his talent and tools overcome it. Plus his chin isn't that fragile, he has been caught loads. Williams and Peter dropped him but he still basically dominated. Not everyone is a puncher i.e. world champ Chris Byrd.
     
  13. Shamrock

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    Vitali only needed one more round for lennox, or at least one more fight without the cut. Stewart has taught Wlad to be as cautious as Lennox was, and Lennox's chin was more suspect......at least Wlad gets up after a clean shot! My sentiments are with Wlad KOing Lennox in 7 good rounds with a better jab and stronger right hand. I think Steward would agree with that!
     
  14. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Let's just talk about the Heavyweight division. forget De La Hoya or mayweather. And just answer me this...
    I'm serious here...

    I truely believe that it's still "all relative".
    Tyson's era was poor as **** too but no one was ever bitching about it.

    Why is that?
    Really , let's talk about tyson's so called "prime" for example.
    Sure He used to look good at beating nobodies , no one's denying it but when you actually take some time to look at some facts...

    a prime Tyson never had to fight anyone as big & skilled as a Lennox Lewis or a vitali Klitschko. Not only that 95 or 99% of Tyson's competition came from the united states.

    Not only that...some of his opponents...Well..
    Let boxrec do the talking
    http://www.boxrec.com/record002971.html
    http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=003051
    (and many more)...

    We can argue and say that Tyson was super dominant because all his opponents were monumental cans too...

    And AGAIN...Imagine this...Henry Cooper.
    (that guy would be a nobody by today's standards)
    Almost had "the" Muhammad Ali...Ali should've lost that one but Ali's corner purposefuly wasted minutes and gave his fighter time to recuperate...

    Just a imagine for a moment...If Henry cooper could pull this...
    Imagine the 70's with a russian invasion (but there was no such thing back then).

    We can argue and say that other eras had veyr uneven competition too..On one side , you had top fighters , on the other...just cans..

    which is why , you had extremely dominant fighters..

    Is there really that much of a difference?
    Only difference is see today is that fighters in the HW division are physically bigger (most of them) , most of the dominant ones used to be totally absent from the boxing scene (eastern euros).

    Was Foreman's era any better?...for example during his come back?
    The guy beat Gerry Cooney....who the **** is Cooney by today''s standards? another "white hope"? not even that...prime for prime...that guy would get raped even by the new comer (povetkin).


    which era is really better?...hard to tell cause today's HW division is finally.."international".
     
  15. barneyrub

    barneyrub Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Peter never landed a clean shot and if thref hadnt let wlad hold constantly when he was in panic mode constantly then peter may have landed something clean.