Reason's Why Wladimir Klitschko Is Not An ATG

Tua-Norton would be Tua-Ruiz all over again.
Though it would matter which version of Tua... Tua has been knocked down by Monta Barrett :--?

 

norton wasnt some slick boxer or hugger like ruiz, he gets torched. Regardless norton isnt an all timer, in todays era he wins a belt, then gets kod.

 

I like larry holmes by the way, but hes recognized for durability, not dominating some strong division. Norton gave ali tough fights, but that was ali of the 70;s. Put norton in todays era and his chin isnt getting any stronger.

 

Holmes is recognised for durability, hand-speed, footwork, a legendary jab, a great straight right, right cross, and right uppercut, brilliant outside fighting, complete from all ranges and paces with all style, dominance, longevity, incredible heart, beating a future HOFer in one of the great title fights on film in the division's history, dressing down a hot young prospect, former Olympic Gold Medalist in Ray Mercer and putting on a very good account of himself against ATG Evander Holyfield for the title, both when old, surviving one of the most devastating single shot KD's ever survived in a HW title fight on film to come back and win by stoppage, the second highest number of consecutive major title fight victories in his division under number one, who had the most of any division in the sport's history (Louis) and being in the biggest selling fight ever and winning it, by stoppage (Cooney).

His era wasn't great, or bad, in my opinion, and Norton was very, very far from not being anyone, as you stated, by the opinion of most. Perhaps you don't think he'd be good in this era. He was the fourth best heavyweight in the division's majority opinion greatest and deepest era. Neither a guarantee that anyone would call you an ATG nor the kind of thing that should be an assumed "also-ran-only" status in others. Again, in my opinion. That's all.

 

Im well aware of who larry holmes is, ive seen him fight too. You want to give holmes praise for all of his wins, but ignore that he arguably lost to both witherspoon and carl williams.
When did i say norton is not 'anyone'. He was a good fighter that was a stylistic nightmare for ali, but he arguably lost to jimmy young, got sparked by shavers, tkod by a journeyman, and would have lost to ron lyle too. Klitsckho would knock norton out.

Relax, when lennox lewis was fightng, everyone was underrating him and saying he isnt much. Now he retired and is viewed as a Head to head monster. Wlad will get his respect when he retires.

 

I am surprised you missed his legendary and history-making karate dropkick on Trevor Berbick. Definitely belongs in that list.

 

Absolutely, yes. But not top 10. He's a bit of an odd one...but a great? Sure.

 

Larry Holmes his biggest victory was Butterbean.
Prove me wrong.

 

To be honest, I've never bought this argument. The Yanks were trying to build Wlad up for a while...watch some of his earlier fights. Duran, Pacquiao and tons of other non-Americans have been huge over there, and embraced by American fight fans.
Wlad's obscurity in the States, let's face it, is his own fault. He'd dominant, but he's just not exciting,

 

I'm quite relaxed, thanks. I just think you're coming off deliberately dismissive of the two fighters in question. Boxrecishly so, it almost comes off.

Good men.

 

Theres nothing boxrecish about norton getting stopped by shavers, ive seen it. Nothing boxrecish about holmes-witherspoon, saw the fight 3 years ago and saw it essentially as a draw, many people think jimmy young was flat out robbed against ken norton, disagree make a poll about it.

Who is the best fighter holmes beat? Answer that. Wlad always has to take **** from fans, who exactly did holmes beat that gives him such praise?

 

this threads never end up well

 

Because they found opponents that are popular in the US (or latin America), were Americans or at least based in America. If you have a foreign champion who is not living in the US fight an unknown foreign opponent who is neither latino nor American then you will have zero interest from the US public. That's just how it is.

Just like Lewis found Tyson and Holyfield. If Lewis instead had to fight guys like Chagaev and Mormeck nobody in the US would have been interested. Look at Lewis vs. Botha. Nobody cared about that fight, it wasn't shown on HBO and it happened in London.

 

Could be because that fight was a mismatch though. Maybe you're right...but I can't help but feel if Wlad was blowing guys out, then at least his profile would be higher over there.

 

Wlad Klitschko fights in the shallowest heavyweight division the world has ever known.
Comparing him to the Heavyweight Greats is a difficult task.