Reasons Wlad "didn't let his hands go" first time against Fury ??

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  1. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Usually it's a case of a fighter being physically incapable of doing so, it's not like they want to lose. Fact is at this level of boxing how you perform in the ring comes down to what you did in preparation for the fight. You do drills to react a certain way in the ring, so you react to things without thinking about it. If you're having to make a conscious choice to do something at this level, you've already likely lost because the delay in thinking to reacting is too slow at this level to be effective. Which is why it looked like he couldn't pull the trigger.

    Wlad had trained like he has always done, get off first, then clinch or move away. What he hadn't prepared for was to be kept out of range, beaten to the punch, and be the one looking to counter. He had trained to get off first, negate any aggression through spoiling tactics, not chase then slip and quickly counter. So even when there were situations where Wlad could counter his natural instinct was to clinch or move away and not to counter which would have given him and opening in the fight. He was basically trying to undo everything he had trained to do in preparation for the fight. He simply hadn't prepared and trained for a plan B scenario if plan A failed.

    Even if Wlad had chosen to be more aggressive and push the fight with Fury, he simply wouldn't of been physically able to react quick enough to do so. He hadn't prepared to fight that kind of fight and so his instincts and reactions in the ring were not what was needed to win that fight on that night.
     
  2. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    What you are essentially saying is they did not alter their preparations for the style of Fury and entered the fight like it was against some random bum. Its ridiculous to say he didn't go in there with a gameplan specially designed for Fury.
    The problem is that he is simply not capable of executing any other plan other than plan A.
     
  3. Legend X

    Legend X Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I think Fury's style was definitely the major factor.
     
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  4. Gymbot

    Gymbot Active Member Full Member

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    Because Fury had the superior reach and Wlad wasn't confident of throwing without getting hit. Wlad has always fought like he's terrified of getting hit, desperately grabbing and holding onto anyone that gets inside his jab. He knows he's got a weak chin and fights like it. I think he will have a similar problem against Joshua. AJ will be able to reach around his jab, which is something that fighters like Povetkin, Haye, Pulev, etc couldn't do.
     
  5. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    No I don't think they did. Partly because they underestimated Fury like a lot of people did and secondly they didn't realise what they usually do to prep Wlad for a fight would never work on Fury. Even Wlad at his peak couldn't of beaten Fury that night because he had the wrong style to win.

    And even if they had known what they were facing, I also question whether or not Wlad could of adapted in time and made the changes necessary to his style to win. Can you imagine Mike Tyson boxing and moving on the outside, well I find that just as likely as Wlad becoming a seek and destroy fighter who can counter punch at all.

    It took Wlad years and 2 losses before he switched trainers and another loss during the period on learning a new style before he became the fighter that would dominate for so long. Wlad has spent years learning a style that wouldn't work on Fury, I don't think he could of undone all that work in such a short time to beat Fury with a new style, especially without Steward in his corner.

    So partly it's because he didn't prepare to face a fighter like Fury but not just in this one training camp but all his training camps and partly it's because it's a huge ask for anyone to change so much in one camp, especially a fighter like Wlad who based on previous behaviour doesn't learn particularly quickly.
     
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  6. Faceplant

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    Fury just completly outmanouved him, and he never felt in a comfortable piosition to get his shots off, and Wlad does not throw punches unless he feels confident the punches will land, and nothing is coming back.
     
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  7. RacingBeat

    RacingBeat Casual lives matter Full Member

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    I am a staunch believer in OP's reason # 3. Wlad has been terrified of getting hit for YEARS, simple as that
     
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  8. drenlou

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    This is true. And he's facing a guy with power to knock his block off. 2 more days....2 more days!
     
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  9. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    I've never seem him as shaken up as Joshua was vs fringe contender Whyte since 2004, correct.
     
  10. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Whyte will prove (should already had) that he would be one of wlads all time best wins. He lost to Aj (like everyone) and hadn't lost since. He clearly beat chisora (the best all on the line chisora there's ever been) we've eve seen and somehow that's terrible, why ?

    That chisora and any whyte are far better than takam and pulev level fighter. They pummel them endlessly..

    Wlad was mentally broken during that entire fury camp and totally ill prepared to fight anyone NEVER mind a very slick (after further investigation, fury is a PAIN IN THE ASS) massive fighter that was in wlads already shattered mind.

    If wlad is capable, mentally and physically to fight exactly like he was stalking and attacking the mitts, we're in for a very intense firefight. I can dream, right
     
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  11. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    :thinking:
     
  12. lepinthehood

    lepinthehood When I'm drinking you leave me well alone banned Full Member

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    Couldnt get in range, Couldnt get any success with the Jab. Furys great footwork had him in knots.
     
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