Record for most sub top 10 defenses ever?

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  1. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Yeah, and that makes it all the sadder that he won't fight better people. That he wins consistently against even the level opponent that he faces shows he's a clear and strong top 5 hw. Plenty of champs have lost facing the type of fighters he's faced. So it makes it even more frustrating that he won't fight someone like Parker, who he should beat, and it would really be in his best interest to fight. Just a disturbing lack of ambition on his part
     
  2. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Then he should fight someone in a top 10 spot ,he hasn't even done that yet . Is it a big accomplishment based on who he fought ? Not really ,whats the use of defending titles if we ACTUALLY broke these fighters down who he defended against ? This guy hes fighting has about a 50/55 k.o % and most wins were guys used to losing ,this isnt spectacular at all 5 defences or not in the time frame hes had since 2012 as well .
     
  3. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I don't think Wilder is particularly good myself, but I can't blame him for the whole fiasco with Povetkin (whom I've always thought was terribly overrated as well). So I don't think you can call it a lack of ambition, necessarily. Given what I consider to be some glaring weaknesses and apparent flaws in Wilder's game, I do however believe that they are trying to milk his reign out for whatever he can. So I don't disagree with the greater point you're gunning at necessarily, either.
     
  4. gmurphy

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    you also have to factor in that wilder went ape**** when wlad commented on him in an interview, where he was quiet nice about wilder but said he needs to fight better opponents, launched into a tarrade of abuse at wlad. but when the fight was to be made he quietly walked away with he's tail between he's legs
     
  5. gmurphy

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    i think when it comes to milking a reign, fighters are usually given one maybe two fights to earn some money and milk the title, no 5 fights and going on 2 and a half years. thats when you start holding up a division to milk the title ,fans get annoyed

    same way fans are getting annoyed with saunders and its only been a year, same way they are annoyed at adonis too
     
  6. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    lol....sure ,sure ! Well than Wilder ducked him twice bc Wlad made that comment in 2015 i think.
     
  7. Rumsfeld

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    I'm not about to make any type of defense of Wilder's ledger here. It's obviously not especially good. But all the same, 4 title defenses (or is it 5?) is a lot in any historical context. He's obviously a long shot away from guys like Louis and Holmes. And I understand that making defenses against soft opposition is easier than consistently making them against top challengers. But there have only been I believe like 17 or 18 guys with 4 or more defenses. So the comparison itself, is between Wilder and less than 2 dozen other guys. (And for the record, I have no idea who was ranked where during a lot of heavyweight title fights pre-1950).
     
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  8. Rumsfeld

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    I get what you're saying. It's a fair criticism for sure.
     
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  9. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Say he beats Wawrinka and gets to 5 successful defenses, something only 15 or so hw guys have ever done. Where would you rank him all time? Probably last out of all of them and by a good bit, which is really sad. I'd probably barely rank him in the top 50 at best, all the others would be in the top 30.
     
  10. GALVATRON

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    Being there was only one belt at some point however it was harder to hand pick guys i would imagine . The thing is he has options ,hes not limited to a handful of guys he has 4 sanctioning bodies with 40 guys better than this guy . Thats a bit of a differance . Is Wilder allowed to fight other top 15 guys in other sanctioning bodies if hes the WBC champion ?
     
  11. Rumsfeld

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    I wouldn't say last, but certainly somewhere towards the bottom of the list. I think his wins against Liakhovich and Arreola are decent (I picked him to lose both of those) and I think the Stiverne victory is quality. But there is nothing earth-shattering here.

    Now, if the defense # climbs to 10 defenses in the next few years, and he still hasn't faced a great name, I still think his position starts increasing a great deal at that point, even if still far removed from a top 20 list.
     
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  12. Rumsfeld

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    The 1 belt deal from back of the day definitely deserves strong consideration. But even since Larry Holmes became the IBF champion - not a lot of guys have more than 4 defenses, even in that context.

    And as for the politics, I can't keep up with the corrupt sanctioning bodies ad their ever changing rules that help to serve their own best interests. But the politics of today in the sport between those sanctioning bodies seems to favor scenarios like Wilder's more and more in my estimation.
     
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  13. andrewa1

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    Geez if he gets to ten successful defenses I believe that's only been done six times, and all of them except Tommy Burns are top 10 guys, even Burns is on my top 25 list. I'd shed a little tear for boxing if he got through 10 title defenses without a win over a true top 10 guy lol. Setting records for ignominy.
     
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  14. Rumsfeld

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    :lol:
     
  15. infini IV

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    I think its fairly obvious Wilder is a carefully protected fighter with limited real ability at HW, i dont have a problem with him fighting these below par fighters because lets face it, he himself is below par . The problem i do have with him is talking big about unification and mentioning all the relevant names only to always settle for some bum that wasnt even relevant 15 years ago.