Record of fighters against Top10 opposition....

You are right, it's just that i tend to view Cotto as one of the excellent contenders out there, not really someone that far on the road to greatness as his stats and recent fight results do imply him to be. I don't know. Gomez is a good fighter but Cotto just beat him so easily, my bag sessions are harder than that.

 

Brewer not a top 10?

 

So Calzaghe is roughly 14-0 with 7 stoppages?

 

Don't get me wrong, he was P4P #1 during his time and his achievements are definitely to be respected, but being the common talking point is "Floyd doesn't fight many top guys compared to the old greats" - I think we can see in terms of "Who is available" - that Floyd does in fact beat top guys.

Floyd has had an amazing career and realistically his toughest challenge to date (excluding the injury against Castillo, he beat the crap out of him in the rematch) has been De La Hoya who he is rematching, the same De La Hoya who realistically just shut out a very good Forbes.

De La Hoya is a tough fight for anyone, he's beaten two world champs since his comeback and gave Floyd his toughest fight (a fight that I personally had drawn)

I respect Floyd for the rematch - will expect that if he beats De La Hoya and follows up with a win over Cotto (who should beat Margarito easily) that Floyd will be ranked Top 10 P4P ATG after that performance. Very few people can boast 40-41 undefeated fights, multiple weight champions like Floyd can, most guys eventually get figured out and lose

Could have been, don't know, don't have the issue prior to that fight but that would put Joe at 14-0 which is some achievement and much better than people credit him for.

 

Asterion nice thread. Floyd 18-0 against top ten guys is quite impressive.

 

Yup, with arguments over the credibility of his division but all you can do is beat the guys you're in a division with, noticeably, Joe did clean out his division in four respective "boxing generations"

He took the big old dog out in Eubank and Woodhall

He cleaned up newcomers in Reid and Sheika

He cleaned up more newcomers in Veit, Mitchell and Brewer

Finally, he cleaned out the newcomers again in Lacy, Bika, Manfredo and Kessler.

I think his achievements should be rated highly being that he cemented himself in one division and realistically faced the best fighters during his time there, the only one he didn't face was Sven Ottke who if I recall correctly, refused to fight Joe in Germany with Joe taking 1 pound.

 

How so? He fought 20 top 10 contenders. It's the quality of the fighters he fought and beat that gives him his reputation and ranking. The top guys he fought and beat were far better than the ones a guy like Floyd beat, and he did so more impressively.

 

Just out of curiousity was that Puerto Rican kid Henry Bruseles that Floyd ko with a bodyshot a top ten guy when Floyd fought him?

 

No, those guys are THOUGHT to be better than the ones Floyd beat. Realistically, they were no better during their era than the ones Floyd beat and Floyd has the added advantage of being unbeaten.

I'm not knocking the Pea, I'm just pointing out that most people consider him the most recent addition to the ATG pedestal (i.e Top 10 ATG boxers) - when his career wasn't really as successful (all things told, records, titles held) as FMJ.

I loved watching Pea fight and in a H2H 135-140 contest, it's a struggle to see many better, but his achievements aren't so different to Floyd that he belongs in a different echelon

 

Wlad--i doubt Purrity, Sanders, and Brewster were ring-ranked at the time of their fights

Wins vs. top 10: Sultan, Lamon II, Brock, Byrd II, Peter for sure

Other good wins but not sure where ranked: Mccline, Byrd I, Jefferson, Barrett, Mercer, Botha, Schultz

at least 5-0 though :nut

both thompson and povetkin are top 10 though

 

Really? Pea fought 4 surefire HOF'ers, and 4 fighters who were top 10 P4P when he faced them, including #1 Chavez. McGirt alone(probably the least of his top wins) was a top 5 P4P fighter, and therefore better even in an era by era basis than any of Floyd's wins.

What advantage is that when you take into account that Pea's competition was better, and that Pea fought until the age of 37 when he was shot?

His career has been FAR more successful. Titles held don't mean a ****ing thing when compared to competition. Competition faced is the #1 criteria for any objective boxing fan(Floyd fans obviously not counting, as they only bring up titles in different weight classes rather than the quality of those beaten, as you're proving right now).

Let's compare their top wins, all things considered, robberies, etc.

Pea

Chavez- #1 P4P fighter, ATG
Nelson- Top 10 P4P fighter, ATG moving up in weight
McGirt X2- Top 5 P4P in first fight, top 10 P4P in rematch
Vasquez- One of the best 154 pounders of his era, the guy that beat Winky's ass and that Terry Norris wanted no part of
Ramirez X2- One of the top, most consistent LW's of the 80's, past his prime, beaten twice very handily

Keep in mind this is not including DLH, who I and many others thought Pea beat

PBF

Hatton- Borderline top 10 P4P fighter, moving up in weight
DLH- Past prime, 154 pounder, nowhere near top 10 at the time
Corrales- Highest rated fighter on his resume, top 10 P4P
Castillo- Top LW, arguably lost the first fight
Hernandez- Past prime, top 130 pounder still

When looking at that objectively, Pea holds the clear edge.

 

Calzaghe

• Eubank - longtime resident
• Reid - one of the best in the world at the time
• Brewer - easily top 10
• Mitchell - fringe top 10
• Veit x2 - solid top 10
• Lacy - undefeated champ
• Kessler - undefeated champ
• Hopkins - just about scrapes top 10
• Sheika - had just beaten Glen Johnson
• Woodhall - top 8 at the time

I make it 11-0.

There may be a case for Starie but no way are you getting away with Mgrchkyn. He became European champ AFTER being defeated by Joe but did precious little beforehand. Bika was a nobody. I'm not buying the Manfredo top 10 bull**** - if he was top 10 then then I'm a lumberjack.

I would listen to a case for taking Eubank out of the list but everyone else stays. No more than 11 though.

 

Going on what this dude said - Ring Magazine Ratings. The only one I can't place for sure is Brewer, didn't think of Starie and don't know if he was a Top 10 so it could be as high as 15-0.

Bernard was Champion at the time he was beat

Kessler was 1st rated, Lacy was 3rd rated.

 

I think you are way off base here. Chavez, McGirt and Azumah Nelson easily trump anybody on floyds resume, including DLH who was older than Chavez when he fought Pea.