RED DAWN: Artur Beterbiev is coming for Kovalev, Hopkins, Stevenson, Pascal, etc.

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  1. killerD

    killerD Boxing Addict Full Member

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    don't be surprised if kovalev the KRUSHER gets abducted by the alien never to be seen again.:yep
     
  2. drozzy

    drozzy AERE Full Member

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    What do you mean, "slow down"? I'm saying it'll be an all-action fight, I'm, not saying Beterbiev 'would beat' Stevenson, Pascal, etc.

    He's been sparring Pascal for a while now, and Pascal is on record saying "yep, he's ready".
     
  3. fatcity

    fatcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Pretty impressive fighting Cloud,who after all is on the downside of his career,but never the less this is still a very ambitious step to take.I believe this fight will happen when they are in the ring.Cloud is suspect mentally and has a habit of pulling out of major fights lately.:deal
     
  4. killerD

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    you are saying beterbiev is coming for kovalev hopkins Stevenson implying he is ready for those challenges.Im saying beterbiev is not ready yet look what happened to lomachenko fighting salido in his second pro fght he couldn't deal with salido's tatics.hopkins kovalev and stevenson are much better than cloud.I want to see how beterbiev does against cloud first.
     
  5. drozzy

    drozzy AERE Full Member

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    Fair enough, I didn't think it would come across that way. I'm also very curious to see how he handles Cloud... Cloud thinks GYM is giving him a freebie to put his career back on the rails. Yvon Michel told the press "King thinks I'm crazy for 'giving up a fighter' to Cloud like that".
     
  6. gmurphy

    gmurphy Land of the corrupt, home of the robbery! banned Full Member

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    Did Cloud and King really say this?

    honestly if they did they are very delusional as most people would have Cloud as the underdog

    Maybe this is what kings saying to the press but maybe its King thats given up a fighter for a good payday
     
  7. Bollywooden

    Bollywooden Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He lost a close decision (against a f/n welterweight) but he clearly showed was ready for that level of competition. Won the world title in his next fight.
     
  8. gmurphy

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    exactly he lost a decision that could have gone either way, and if Salido came in on weight and wasnt aloud to foul all night then Loma would have won

    he learned more in one fight than it takes most fighter 20-30 fights to learn

    also Salido was was a good title holder, Rigo faced his first actual good title holder in his 12th fight and his the closest example to someone getting fast tracked from the amateurs that fast
     
  9. killerD

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    my point is if beterbiev goes up against hopkins too soon hopkins would foul and spoil beterbiev to oblivion.lomachenko wasn't ready for salido's dirty tatics salido is old and shopworn he won that fight on experience.
     
  10. killerD

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    lomachenko couldn't deal with salido's dirty tatics the low blows and hitting while holding.lomachenko needs to adapt to that sometimes there will be dirty fights were the ref is oblivious.lomachenko is at times too inactive he did it against russell he can let his opponents steal rounds against him like that.
     
  11. gmurphy

    gmurphy Land of the corrupt, home of the robbery! banned Full Member

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    This is supposed to be the pro's not no holds barred backyard hillbilly wrestling that salido showed us

    Loma blowing away 20 fighters would not have prepared him for what Salido did, he might have been more conifdent in his stamina but thats about it

    anyway that fight could have gone either way most had it a draw or a round or 2 each way, if Salido actually made weight he would have lost
     
  12. killerD

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    yet salido got away with it took advantage and won.lomachenko should have returned the favor someone's goes low you go low the ref would not dq him.
     
  13. Serge

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    Apparently, Cloud's never been off his feet amateur or pro.

    The Atoev loss was controversial from what I remember of it. At least I recall thinking that, although I've haven't seen a decent copy of if for a while.

    There's a shitty quality version of it on Dailymotion as well as one of his highly controversial loss to Zhang in the Beijing Olympics.

    I'm sure I remember seeing Yvon Michel say that Beterbiev beat Kovalev twice a while back, but I've not found anything to confirm whether it's true or not. I'd love to see their fight in the Russian nationals though.

    Another to add to Beterbiev's long list of impressive scalps he collected in the amateurs is the excellent Ukrainian Oleksandr Gvozdyk. I wasn't aware they'd even fought each other.

    2009-4-15 81kg Artur Beterbiev AB 2 Oleksandr Gvozdyk

    Beterbiev is the only fighter I recall seen hurt Usyk.
     
  14. gmurphy

    gmurphy Land of the corrupt, home of the robbery! banned Full Member

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    Hurting usyk is quiet the acheivment when you consider usyk is a fully fledged cruiserweight and while artur was fighting at 91kg he could have still easily been back at 81kg

    IMO beterbeiv is a bigger puncher than kovalev, no amatuer ever carried the power he did
     
  15. Vysotskyy

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    Alot of truth in that especially at that time when Lebziak was the coach to say he had favourites would be a gross understatement and he was a scumbag in general.

    I really like Mekhontsev but his win over Usyk at the 2009 Worlds was atrocious especially the 4th round. Usyk should have won the round something like 8-3 but he would land three punches and get zero points then Egor would miss and get a point it was ridiculous.

    Gvozdyk improved considerably between 2009-2011 and i think he's on both the Russians level as a pro prospect currently. He's also being moved way faster than Egor yet they're both with Top Rank so the slow pace and terrible opposition has to be coming from Egor's camp. Another good prospect at LHW is Vyacheslav Shabranskyy who recently signed with Golden Boy and is about 9-0 IIRC.