Reevaluation 1: Eder Jofre

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  1. Casamayor122

    Casamayor122 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Eder Jofre is often considered a TOP30 ATG and I have seen him placed even higher.

    Before and during his run as World Bantamweight Champion which consisted of 9 World Title Fights in which he won 3 different World Titles he beat 1 --I repeat 1-- former, current or future World Champion.

    He beat 2 world champions and 1 former champion in his entire career:

    Irishman Johnny Caldwell who held the lesser European Boxing Union World Bantamweight Title and had 1 successful defense.

    Jose Legra who won the WBC feather title twice with 0 successful defenses. He won by MD in his hometown -- which certainly sets the alarm bells ringing. Legra retired in several months.

    A completely shot retired Vicente Saldivar who re-retired afterwards.

    He lost two close fights with Fighting Harada who is considered a great fighter because he beat Jofre. And Jofre is considered great because...what came first, the chicken or the egg?

    His resume is extremely weak.

    Is Eder Jofre the most overrated boxer of all time?

    thanks for the correction mdwConteh.
     
  2. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No, Kostya Tsyzu is...:D
     
  3. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He beat the best of his era......during a talented era......
    Eder was past prime against Harada, with weight problems......
    Eder had everything.....power in both hands, awesome skills, very complete fighter.......and one of the best body punches ever....
     
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    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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  5. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thank you. Taken into consideration.
    But he is surely not the most overrated boxer of all time.
    He was not stopped during his whole career which can't be said about many . Even his 2 losses to Harada which were his only losses were by close decision , only watching the entire fights can tell who the winner was if there was.
    I always welcome reevaluation.
     
  6. Casamayor122

    Casamayor122 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Kostya is a HOF-caliber fighter who shouldn't have been 1st ballot or 2nd or.... he should have waited at least 5 years before getting in a perfect world. If someone rates him higher or thinks he is an ATG then he is crazy.

    Drew101, we've had our discussions in the past which I enjoyed. Tell me what is your opinion of EJ and the questions I have raised in my post.

    These threads will not be exercises in fighter-bashing on my part just fighters I think are rated much higher than they should be, which doesn't mean they weren't good.
     
  7. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Johnny Caldwell held a version of the world crown, their fight was a unification bout.
     
  8. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Fair enough anyone questioning Jofre a bit, but doing the old "number of former, future world champions " thing is not going to hold up by itself.Usually it's a pretty damn weak and irrelevant way to judge any fighter, especially one from an era where there weren't as many belts going around.

    research the era and you will see the circumstances of how Jofre came to be regarded as the best Bantam.tryand judge who he fought on their own merits as best you can and watch a lot of everything you can get hold of.

    If you still don't rate him too highly then fine, but these weak manufactered stat startpoints are no way to assess any fighter.Even Terry Norris.

    Im not a lists man really, though i do struggle to see how he could fit into all the top '20s he appears in unless it's of the inherent goodness/h2h effectiveness type.
     
  9. Casamayor122

    Casamayor122 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes but how can you make a case that he is an all time great let alone TOP30 or TOP20? I just don't see it.
     
  10. Casamayor122

    Casamayor122 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Stats are not irrelevant and the kind of argument you just did usually means that you have really no argument. No offense. I have also watched what there is of Jofre.

    In his first run as bantamweight champ the standout name is Medel.

    I don't see how anyone can make an argument of him being an ATG with that resume. If you can, be my guest...
     
  11. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Just winding you up a bit, Cass-122. :good

    Since we're talking about bantamweights/featherweights, I'm interested to see whose resume- at those weights, you would rate highly. It helps to establish context.

    Either way, I'll give my full evaluation of Jofre's resume in a while.
     
  12. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    He was widely regarded as the best pound-for-pound fighter of his era by people who watched him a lot more that you have and also just about the only champ of that time already considered an all-time great in their respective division (with old timers who never used to rate contemporary fighters that highly). Boxing Illustrated also ran an article about the 'best pfp fighters' in their lifetime (15 year anniversary) and Jofre came 1st ahead of Monzon, Napoles, Ali, Griffith etc.
     
  13. Drew101

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    One thing to note is that Harada's resume, even without Jofre on it, was still pretty damned good. Victories over Rudkin, Ebihara, Kingpetch in the first fight, and Medel in the rematch, and a number of other very good, solid contenders speak well of the man's ability.

    Another thing to note is that Jofre wasn't just content to fight challengers in his own back-yard. His defenses against Caraballo, Aoki, and Jamito were all staged in his opponent's home country. So were the losses against Harada. So Jofre didn't feast on home cooking as much as others might believe.
     
  14. Casamayor122

    Casamayor122 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ok, Drew101 :D.

    Not much quality of resume at bantamweight from the top of my head. Zarate and Olivares will feature in the Reevaluation series at some point though.

    And Jofre didn't do enough at feather to merit a rating there. I would love to see that MD against Legra. MD/SD in a fighter's hometown with no video to back it up are highly suspicious to me. We know what usually happens even today with instant access to every fight all over the world.
     
  15. Casamayor122

    Casamayor122 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Indeed he beat some good fighters but without Jofre (and the high-regard he is held in) it's not a top resume. When you factor in the many losses Harada had it drops a notch as well.