Referee - Tony Perez 'I Should Have DQ'd Muhammad Ali'

Do you get off on this?

 

Preach it brother...a prophet is never accepted in his home town! The truth must come out! A lot of naysayers on here don't realize that the truth will set them free...and we don't mean Carl!

 

113 Times in 12 rounds. This according to Eddie Futch in 'CornerMen' Ronald Fried.

I believe that had Perez taken a point for Ali after a couple of warnings that would have been fair. Then the fight probably changes. Ali either keeps holding and loses another point or understands that he must use different tactics.

As far as the claim of racism ah...Joe Frazier was black too. That was a weak excuse by Perez. I do believe that the big $$ Ali brought in allowed him to get away with things like this and why he won so many close decisions.

thats just the way boxing goes at times.

Eddie Futch said that he and Joe never considered that fight a loss.

 

Frazier was lucky Ali spent so much time holding, if he had hit him more Joe would have been blind after the halfway mark.
As it was Frazier looked like he had stuck his head in a bees nest .
Get real.

 

Got away with it because of who he was...

 

99% does care......perhaps you should leave this forum

 

Pepe had laid off Ali recently and moved onto Sugar Ray Leonard. Life must be boring in the care home.

 

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So true,McVey :good

 

Regardless of the source, Perez was having a bad night that night.

Ali's holding was excessive and illegal. He could have had signifcant points deducted because the holding was well past the point of issuing him a warning. It was deliberate and Ali continued doing it because he knew Perez didn't want to answer for it. Ali tried these tactics in the FOTC and Manilla. Both Mercante and Padilla warned him early in the fights for that.

Joe might have hit the canvas in the second round if Ali was able to follow up his combination after hurting Frazier. Perez really screwed up here. I don't believe or agree with the Ali fans who claim he would've stopped Joe. That's just nonsense. Ali doesn't have the Foremanesque power to repeat the knockdowns. I think Joe would have got up and rallied to continue in the fight. At worst, maybe Ali scores a couple of knockdowns having Joe in real trouble, that's all.

 

Frazier lucky? C'mon McVey I'm surprised at you. Puhleeese!!! Unless Ali got hold of the stuff Liston used to blind him, Joe wasn't losing his sight. Manilla yes, but FOTC II no way.

According to Joe, Ali had no zip or sting on his punches. It was a shoeshine job and you don't have to post pictures of Joe's face after the fight to prove your point because it makes no sense.

Except for the right hand in the second round, Ali's punches were hardly dangerous. He was throwing shots for the judges scores, nothing more. Certainly he didn't have the conviction in his punches like he did against Frazier in the 14th round of Manilla or any other round in 1975. Very few punches that Ali threw in the FOTC II can compare with the murderess yet desperate intentions he had in Manilla.

 

Ali had the boxing powers ( ref's and judges ) on his side. Ali should not have won the 3rd Norton fight, and could have drawn or lost to Shavers. But you're right. I think Futch said he counted something like 73 holds behind the neck in the 2nd Ali vs Frazier fight.