Ref's stoppage of Jones - Green was premature

What the **** are you talking about?

I have all ready said it was a fair stoppage.

And I have also given reasons why i think it would have been good for the fight to go on.

You said Roy didn't throw any punches, which is wrong. And you keep repeating he was legless, wrong again.

Legless = without legs. How can a man who is still standing be legless? atsch

 

Bull****.

There was more than a minute left in the round.

Green was throwing nonstop punches with no regard at all for the possibility of walking into anything returning at him.

The reason for this was that Jones wasn't throwing anything. Nothing.

Jones failed to throw, let alone land, even one honest punch in the twenty seconds that Green spent assaulting him after the return from the knockdown.

Here's the timeline of what happened.

1) Fight begins.

2) Jones dropped hard.

3) Jones rises, looks very shaky and unsteady but is allowed to continue because he beat the count.

4) Green starts throwing what turns into essentially a 30-punch combo.

5) Jones covers up, throws nothing, does not attempt to move away from the ropes.

6) Green lands a couple of good uppercuts. No response from Jones except to look even more hurt.

7) Fight is stopped, and rightly so.


Jones HAD his chance to come back into the fight. Almost half a minute after the knockdown. He blew it by becoming a stationary target against the ropes, not offering ANY offence AT ALL, and eating a couple more clean shots.

Cannot complain about that stoppage at all. He was given every chance to fight his way out of trouble, but he just plain was too badly hurt. Even Roy himself made no attempt to dispute this post-fight.

:hat

 

You are right about Jones having legs, Danny Green also had legs, which made this a pretty even matchup.

 

Bloody GOOD stoppage rjj's head snapped back more than a few times after the kd he was wobbley after ref split them up

 

I agree, for ****s sake, jones was staggering after the ref broke up a clinch after the initial KD!!!!

 

that quoted post had a small typo in it, but anyway, see above.

 

If his legs are not functional. You must think a fallen man cannot be 'legless' either - since he still has legs.

 

technically yes, but metaphorically, legless means he can't stand. Roy could stand. He wasn't legless. He was with legs(ish). or almost legless, if you prefer.

 

see this video:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0YCdjomoqQ&feature=related[/ame]

 

the only reason the ref stopped it was due to green being the hometown fighter if it was in the states the refs would have let it continue,imagine if jones had green going like that in oz,would the ref have stopped it then?

 

His head was snapped back by a couple of uppercuts. He was not fighting back, not moving his feet, not evading punches, he had his hands up but that was all. And it's not like the fight was called off after 5 seconds of this, the ref gave him almost half a minute, enough time for Green to throw more than twenty unanswered punches.

What indication do you possibly have that this was the case?

At the stoppage, only two minutes had passed since the start of the fight.

In that two minutes, Jones had thrown maybe 5 or 6 punches, been dropped heavily once, never regained steady footing after that, and soaked up a 20+ punch combination without offering anything in return.

There was still a full minute left to go. Green had all his energy left because he hadn't fought any prior rounds, and he was firing. He was going for the kill and given the facts that Jones was clearly seriously buzzed and offering ZERO resistance, Green was full of energy in front of a home crowd, and the time left in the round, there is nothing, NOTHING, to suggest that Roy could have survived to the bell.

And I know you didn't post it, but videos of an undefeated 25 year old granite-chinned middleweight like Pavlik being compared to a 40 year old RJJ, who has several defeats by stoppage during which he never recovered after being dropped, is not a reason why RJJ should have been allowed to continue.

The bottom line is - if he wanted the chance to fight his way out of trouble, then he should have started to fight his way out of trouble. But he didn't - he was still too buzzed after the knockdown, and Green stayed on top of him and never let him get his bearings again.

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That is the first round and Jones already cannot punch back but instead covers himself and still the punches hit his head. The ref made a wise decision and spared RJJ from further punishments.

 

Just watched it again.

After the knockdown, Green lands his first punch on RJJ with 1:32 left in the round.

Green then lands THIRTY-NINE unanswered punches, plus a couple that miss, with Jones throwing nothing back. Not a single punch, or even anything close to a punch, comes back Green's way.

During all of this time, Jones' hands are up either side of his face. Also during this time, Green manhandles Jones at will, and Jones is swaying unsteadily, before his legs betray him and he involuntarily staggers into centre ring, then blindly clinches.

The ref separates them and pushes Jones back, which causes Jones to stagger drunkenly back into the ropes, making no decisive, controlled movements whatsoever.

Green lands another 4 punches including a clean uppercut, before the ref waves the fight over with 1:01 remaining on the clock. The ref grabs Jones by the head to stop him staggering back into the corner.

The stoppage was completely fair. From the time that Green was on him after the knockdown until the stoppage was 31 seconds, a time that Green spent furiously attacking, while Jones was staggering and lurching around without doing anything at all to defend himself aside from having his gloves by his ears.

:hat