Ref's stoppage of Jones - Green was premature

Jones is 40 years old. Green's fans taking stock in this win is comical lol...

 

Thank you. You've saved me from having to expose you for the bloodlusting moron I suspected you was.
People like you have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA of what this sport is about. No idea

 

Clearly he was hurt, nobody can debate that. But hes been hurt in many of his recent fights. The point is if you look at what he was doing it seemed very very unlikely that Green would be able to knock him out in the remaining 50 seconds.

Thats not to say Green couldn't have won the fight but this is Roy Jones we are talking about. We know Green was basically punching himself out, and we know Jones while hurt, wasn't about to be knocked out. He could have taken an 8 count and held on for the remaining 60 seconds.

Jones would have been wise to take a knee for 8 seconds to regain his balance, then stand up and run and hold for 50 seconds which I'm sure he could have done even at 40.

 

But he didn't. That's the point.

 

Do you really think Green has the endurance to punch like that for another full minute? Anyone can throw punches like that for 30 seconds, but his punches would have had to slow down and this is why I think Jones could have survived.

No Jones couldn't have survived if Green were the type of fighter who never gets tired like Margarito or Williams, but I think he was beginning to slow down.

 

Completely irrelevant.

The facts:

1) There was more than a minute left to go in the first round.

2) Green was going for the kill.

3) Jones had offered exactly zero in the way of counterattack since the KD.

4) Jones was not making eye contact with Green, nor was he attempting to move out of danger.

5) Jones had already been given more than 30 seconds to throw back, or move out of danger, or take a knee. He did none of that because he was too hurt.

6) Jones had shown no indication of getting his legs back since the KD. He was unsteady on his feet and was not in control of where he was moving in the ring, not even when the ref pushed the fighters apart. He simply staggered back into the ropes, where he stayed until Green attacked him again.

7) Perhaps most indicative that it was a legit stoppage - Jones the unquestioned ATG did not offer any protest whatsoever after being stopped in the 1st, the most humiliating loss of his career. He was just glad that Green wasn't knocking the **** out of him any more.

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Yes..its no more complicated than that! Jesus.

 

Roy Jones will decide if it was premature or not, but it looks premature and it sounds like on the video Roy Jones protested it immediately. Like he said "I told you didn't I?". Thats not protesting?

 

What does eye contact have to do with any of this? And everyone saw he was hurt and wasn't responding but it was only 30 seconds. For an elite fighter I think he should have been given more time. If Green would have knocked him down again then I could see the ref stopping it but from the looks of it, Jones seemed to be gaining his legs back.

It's not the sorta stoppage you can protest because the ref didn't do anything against the rules, but it's obviously a quick stoppage. Just look at it several times and you'll see it was quick.

Honestly Roy Jones Jr could have done the exact same thing to Calzaghe in their fight. He had Calzaghe just as hurt and if he would have jumped on him like that do you think the ref would have stopped the fight? History would have been completely different had that happened.

 

Nah.

Jones was out of it.He never recovered after that first right hand that put him down.

He fell on the ropes by hiself before the fina lflurry.He was saved of getting knocked down nad out again.

 

A massive part of "protect yourself at all times" is "watch your opponent."

Roy was not watching his opponent. Not fighting back. Not avoiding punches. Not trying to move out of danger. Any one of these by itself is cause for the referee to stop the fight.

And 30 seconds is a long, long time in a boxing ring. Especially when you consider that 5 seconds could easily be the difference between "Jones loses by stoppage, goes home to family" and "Jones drinks through a straw for the rest of his life."

There was nothing quick about the stoppage.

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You clearly haven't. That's why you don't understand the stoppage.

 

This debate seems to have boiled down to the argument if Roy was defenseless or still able to defend himself at the point of the stoppage. If he threw punches or not is irrelevant here - you can defend yourself without throwing back. It was clear that Roy was under pressure and was getting caught before the stoppage. But in my opinion he was still able to defend himself at the point where the fight got stopped. He wasn't on the way out. Clearly the ref saw it differently. Now maybe Roy would have been knocked out very soon if the fight hadn't been stopped, or maybe he would have made it to the bell and who knows what would have happened after that. The point is: we simply don't know and we never will. Being on the verge of getting knocked out is a very relative term. The KO was not certain to happen when the fight got stopped. That's why the stoppage was premature imo. Of course it would have been risky to let the fight continue, but that's part of boxing. After all these are pros who know what they do and what risks they take, and who get paid accordingly. This isn't the amateurs.
That said, I've seen stoppages a lot worse than this one. Roy was in trouble, that's for sure.

 

This is Danny Green, not Mike Tyson or David Haye, or David Tua. Danny Green does not punch that hard and is not the hardest puncher Roy Jones has ever fought. The reason Roy Jones couldn't see the punches is because Danny Green is probably one of the best finishers in boxing, the guy throws every punch he has in those 30 seconds whether they land or not. The reason it shouldn't be stopped is because they weren't even landing.

If Roy Jones were getting hit, and went down a second time then I would agree with you that the fight should be stopped. But thats not how the fight ended, the ref didn't allow anyone to see how hurt Roy Jones was and after the fight Roy Jones didn't look out on his feet or hurt. It's not like the knockout of Jermain Taylor where it he was clearly out as his feet and his eyes were staring into space, Roy Jones wasn't anywhere near that level of hurt.

I'm not saying he shouldn't retire after his next fight, but he didn't get knocked out in a way which makes him shot. Lets be realistic, he was in Australia with an Australian crowd, the announcers were acting like the fight was basically over, the whole thing looks so suspicious that people will think Jones took a dive, or that it was a quick stoppage. Of course he could have been hurt but Green never landed a shot hard enough or he just didn't have the power to do the kind of hurt which in my opinion warranted stopping the fight.

I understand the ref is trained to stop the fight if the fighter doesn't throw punches but do you hear the ref saying "fight back or I'm stopping this fight, fight back" which is what the refs usually say in that situation?