Regardless of who wins, Pacquiao ranks higher than Mayweather

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  1. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    Actually the only disadvantages he's going to be at are size and recuperation time. In terms of ability Floyd is the one at a disadvantage.

    But are the other factors gonna be enough to overcome that?

    We'll find out March 13th.
     
  2. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    How the hell is he a natural 140 lber. when he's performing so well at 147 lbs.? And it's not like Floyd has had a ton of fights at WW. Many people consider Pacquiao to be a better WW than Floyd. With that said, what the hell does it matter if Pac is supposedly a natural 140 lber(whatever that means)? Would you say that Pac's legacy wouldn't take a hit if he lost to Matthew Hatton considering Pac isn't a "natural WW"?
     
  3. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's not "******ed" it's exaggerated.

    A better example may be Duran/Leonard II. Prior to that fight, Duran had achieved so much already and basically had nothing to lose. If he had won, won he be ranked higher? Probably, most people rank him from 6-10, had he won, I believe he would be top 5. However he lost but does that effect his standing? No, it doesn't, becausecwhen a boxer achieves so much, nothing can really change that. Like I said, a loss may be the difference between a single place or two, but nothing drastic.

    Unlike Pacquiao, Floyd's legacy is not set. He can be considered unproven, especially at 147lbs. Unlike Pacquiao, there are questions remaining about his ability. If he loses, is he top 10 at welter, like The Ring talked about? No. His legacy as a boxer will be confined to his fantastic talents at 130lbs.

    I believe Pacquiao will win but there's no significant change in his all-time standing if he should lose.
     
  4. HolyCityBully

    HolyCityBully Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If Pac loses, people will always say he was great, but Floyd was even better.
     
  5. Concrete

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    Pac has nothing to lose in my eyes in fighting PBF. He is supposed to lose to PBF truthfully. The odds are really against him for this one. This isn't DLH, Hatton, or Cotto were talking about. This is a real stylistic nightmare.

    If Pac were to pull it off then it would be the biggest odd beating accomplishment in the last 10yrs.

    Losing to Mayweather shouldn't really hurt his legacy as Mayweather as people have been trying to point out is a different level then these other fighters.

    Mayweather losing to Pacman on the other hand would demolish Mayweather's legacy truthfully. He is a complete boxer who holds most of the advantages in this fight. People will also feel like they are validated in there criticism of him avoiding tougher comp in the past and once he faced someone they felt was elite enough for him he lost.

    What Mayweather will gain though is more respect for his complete boxing skills as smarts by the unbiased fans anyway. The guys who hate him will just bash his accomplishment and hop on to the next challenger.
     
  6. Because he's good.

    If he's not a natural welter then it was simply appalling that he made Marquez fight at welter.
    That's just because Manny is so good.

    That's a ridiculous remark.
     
  7. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    People in the classic forum are Duran worshipers he's the most popular if not one of the most popular fighters on ESB I take their opinion with a grain of salt.
    The point is Duran quit in the rematch and on any list of boxing top moments Duran's "No Mas" is right at the top you won't see Duran's win over SRL there. Duran's "No Mas" is more remembered. Most casul fans or the general public don't even know they even fought before that fight.:deal
     
  8. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Recuperation time? Pac is the one who picked out the date. If Floyd is the one who's at a disadvantage in terms of ability, then the minimal size difference shouldn't matter. Now I can see why Mayweather said he was in a no win situation. He goes up in weight and beats a much bigger Oscar and it means nothing because Oscar was supposedly too old. He fights a guy that is supposedly better than him but victory would be marginalized because he's supposedly bigger than the guy(Wasn't Cotto and Oscar bigger than Pac as well?.) No one is trying to hear all that.
     
  9. PH|LLA

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    someone who gets it.

    Just cause Pac beat Cotto doesn't make Pac a natural WW. It just makes him a JrWW who's so ****ing good he can whip on Cotto's ass at WW. And to top it off he's even smaller than average for a JrWW.

    If Floyd beats Pac, it means he's a better WW than Pac, not a better p4p fighter.
     
  10. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    1. Since when did fighters start getting free fights where losing doesn't impact them? Obviously losing isn't going to hurt Manny much based on Mayweather's own greatness, but it's not going to have zero impact.

    2. Why does Pacquiao get the free pass?

    3. Mayweather is already deep in the Top 100. Losing this fight won't suddenly make him not an all-timer.

    4. No. Both stand to gain a lot from a win, but wouldn't be crippled on a loss. Did Hagler suddenly not become an all-time Middleweight because he lost to Leonard? No. That's what happens when two all-timers meet in the ring.
     
  11. Concrete

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    Duran's win should be considered better for the fact that after he beat SRL he gained massive amount of weight then killed himself trying to make weight for the rematch. Which is what tied in to him calling it quits. He was burnt out by fight night. Who knows who would have won the rematch but if he stayed close to shape during that time he would have fared a lot better.

    He should have been smarter though and made sure he had enough time comfortably cut the weight without killing himself before fighting.
     
  12. Floyd is actually in a complete win situation. His exact words were " if I lose and I make 60 million in one night, come on man, im not loosin'" <--- Good little insight into how this waste of space thinks, too.
     
  13. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    You know what's ridiculous? Claiming Pacquiao is better than Floyd and saying Floyd beating Pac doesn't do much for him because the fight is at WW, this despite the fact that Pac is considered the better Welter and despite the fact that they're fighting for Pac's WW title. You guys need to give it up. You all built Pac up and claimed he would beat the hell out of Floyd before the fight was made. Now that the fight is going to happen, you know his ass is in trouble against Mayweather. None of you guys want to give Mayweahter his props so you make up all these ridiculous ass excuses for Pacquiao.
     
  14. bald_head_slick

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    So you are saying what Mayweather said in the interview was exactly right?

    *******.
     
  15. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    No **** they are making all kinds of excuses. His ear. The fight is too soon. PBF is too big. Pac is concentrating on elections. You *******s called down the devil now deal with him.:deal