registered boxers. bigger numbers, better fighters?

Yeah already watched it...highlight reel KO if Ive ever seen one.

Pretty damn brutal for such a little scrapper.

 

KTFO thats for sure :dead

 

That was brutal wasn't it mate, he didn't see that coming in the slightest went down a bit like hatton

 

How bizarre, just finished watching the fight then read your post Ash. Early contender for KO of the year.

 

Yeah...I thought Hatton still had just a tad of life left in him despite going down hard.....the other guy looked like he copped a head on with a truck :dead

 

Ok smarty pants...have you seen this KO?


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex0wdzDzPVM[/ame]

 

Believe me mate I was firmly in your camp not 5-6 years ago..But it was my ability to actually hear out other people who have been in this game longer then I have that saw me change my tune and actually look into what they were saying.

Its just as ridiculous to say boxing has improved when you clearly havent done a lick of research on boxing history. How the **** can you know what it "improved" from?

BOXING IS NOT OTHER SPORTS.

Boxing is not running in a straight line...Its not lifting a weight over your head. There are just to many differences and intangibles coming into play.

The standard has been lowered...Back in Ron's day there were less divisions and only one title per division. Now the talent pool is spread over many more weight divvys, with sometimes at least 4 different bloke staking their claim as a "world champion". More divisions, plus more belts dilute what it means to be a world champ.
Almost universally across the globe participation rates for boxing have fallen, further taking away from the overall pool of fighters...Boxing was televised on free to air, sometimes in prime time slots in the 60's and 70's..now you pay through the nose just for the privilege to watch an hour or two of boxing..Without a shadow of a doubt boxing is not the premier sport it once was in terms of popularity and social impact.

Even a basic analysis of film can show you that technically boxing hasnt improved very much if at all from the 50's-60's..in some areas it has regressed. Not when guys like Ricardo Mayorga, Daisuke Naito, Valuev, Valero, Froch, Margarito, David Diaz, Calzaghe, Paul Williams, Darchinyan etc etc etc have been world champs or even p4p material in this era.

The best of today are as good as the best of 50 years ago..Some of them are among the best fighters I have ever seen. But its the next tiers that arent even near their similarly ranked peers of the past.

Boxing hasnt really improved overall...because for everything that has been improved upon, another area has regressed.

 

Fair play to you, this is a good argument.

I've obviously watched the odd couple of black and white/early colour fights I'd watch anyone fight anywhere. I think participation rates have changed because it is a lot harder to make money from being a fighter today and at the top end of the spectrum the competition is fierce when looking to turn pro. I think it would be hard to find a promoter to bankroll you unless you were a top amateur and this creates a gap between the journeymen and the top guys.

If like you say the technical aspect of boxing hasn't changed then surely the difference in training methods would favour the modern fighters in speed and power development etc

I think the argument overall is moot as we can't get these mythical matchups made but for my money the best of the best today should be beating the best from yesteryear.

 

They perhaps have...because the fastest fighters you will see have come from the last 30 years.

But thats the thing, its not nessarily an improvement...its just a change. Fighter from yesteryear trained more specifically for stamina because they fought longer and more often.

A guy like Joe Brown can fight in 3 x 15 rounders in a 4 month period but a bloke like Miguel Cotto can barely make 12 rounds with 3 months to train for it.
And speed has been shown to be trumped on many occasions in this era (and all others) by timing, ringcraft and overall skill..something that was more appreciated in Ron's day for instance.

And for the record even fighters and trainers of today dont think todays crop is any better...For instance Freddie Roach feels Manny couldnt of beaten Duran etc.

 

Ah....maybe.You increase the probability in finding an atg however it is never a gauranteed.It is at times like winning a lottery.However, some (countries) are just naturally good.Liike Mexico with their heart of aztecs who you punch harder and they ask for more.And Cubans g'daym quick and slick.I see Ozboxing is commiting to bringing qty imports to strengthen the state of boxing in this country.There are quite a few good once going around and some locals are good however the trick it to get some Mexicans,PR and Cubans aside from the africans and arabs there problem solved.

:bbb

 

W.a.R.. Belting your head against a Brick Wall and politely asking it to stop hurting your forehead won't make any change.. lol.. I guess a simplistic way for 20a86 to get an idea of the games differences between different eras- may be to look at something like the H/W ratings of Top 8 of 1974.. As rated by 'Ring Magazine';

CHAMPION: Muhammad Ali
1. George Foreman..
2. Joe Frazier
3. Ron Lyle
4. Joe Bugner
5. Oscar Bonevena
6. Ken Norton
7. Jerry Quarry
8. Chuck Wepner

The connections of EVERY fighter in the list to one another, all memorable names, within thier own careers is nothing short of incredible. Without wasting time to check things out, there has to be atleast 40+ fights combining the same names together..

Looking at the current list of P4P H/W's... I won't even bother..

Take into account, these match up's reflected in the ratings systems of all countries, in their own ratings in each weight, pretty much since Nat Fliescher incorporated a RATING system to the Ring Magazine in '22. Bull**** choas that was priority before then, the same as current P4P dribble.

 

Black and white nut hugger

Dont you know anybody that has fought in the era of colour TV


Are you in your 80's?

 

Black and White nuthugger??? You racist ****.

ESB Members, here's a question..

Why did the queue jumping, tax dodging, pigeon toed, track suit wearing, asian tourist **********, with 9 drink driving convictions cross the road??

Because Ashley was on the other side!!!

 

Whats wrong with tracksuits?

 

STFU wingnut!!