Remembering A Peak Sergey Kovalev

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  1. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Humiliation is what my man Danny Green did to RJJ
     
  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Absolutely.

    If someone had told you in the late 90’s that Roy would have lost to a guy like Danny, you’d have wanted them put in the fun house.
     
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  3. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Are you saying Bernard Hopkins, James Toney, Mike McCallum, Vergil Hill, Antonio Tarver, Felix Trinidad, Vinny Pazienza, Montell Griffin, Reggie Johnson were taxi drivers / tomato cans?
     
  4. tarrant45

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    Yes tell is how many times Roy was knocked out in his first 50 fights.

    Can I play this game as well and say Kovalev wouldn't be table to take Roys power, considering he got 1 punch knocked out by a blown up 154 pounder?
     
  5. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    All beast.
     
  6. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    I think GGG was fine but Kovalev, I don't think he was an overly disciplined guy before the loss, seems like the type of dude who's really in it for the paycheck than love of the sport. Got paid and put hard work to the backseat, story as old as the sport itself.
     
  7. Sks476

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    Kovalev should have fought Stevenson. One of the big fights that never happened. I think Kovalev would have won/ stopped Stevenson.
     
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  8. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ward took his soul to a degree, I think. Those two fights cast doubt about how well Kovalev would have done in difficult fights where things were going against him. Good job of picking himself up after being badly hurt by Yarde, though.
     
  9. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No one who's watched the fight really think the last blow was in any way was decisive or changed things in any way. That's just a line that's been made up.
     
  10. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Many people do.

    I can remember the outrage.
     
  11. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Me too. But I have a hard time believing they really do. Even they must know they're just hanging on to something.
     
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  12. LenHarvey

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    He CLEARY outboxed Ward tho.. that wasn't even a close fight. Then the cards were read out.. that is probably when Kovalev went to ****.. when boxing screwed him, don't think it was all Ward necessarily .. when you get screwed over like that and have to regroup some people thrive off it & some are ruined.. he never really looked the same again.. even when he beat the likes of Alvarez and Yarde.. so I think it's a combination of factors as to what happened with him.. Drink, boxing politics & mental discipline. When Ward low blowed him he should have returned in kind ... even if hed have been DQd.. Ward wants street rules fk it give it him back.. what did he have to lose? Hed been screwed anyway.. but he didnt.. that's why I'm not one that moans about the second fight.. The first yes, second no.. because everybody knows what they are dealing with with Andre Ward they know he's a dirty fighter so they should prepare for it and if necessary start returning in kind .. SK clearly didn't therefore its his own fault that loss.. especially after the first fight they should have prepared for every single outcome. What I do remember from the time though is all wasn't well with his trainer Jackson apparently.. there were rumblings of Kovalev sidelining him in training & Jackson then reaching out to Wards team behind his back... that probably wouldn't have helped his mindset if true but i dunno the ins & outs.. he will be a hall of fame fighter but I think his career could have given us more, Stevenson fight should have happened and I think almost to every man and his dog the opinion is he has a win over Ward.
     
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  13. Serge

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    Regardless of what your opinion is on the Kovalev vs Ward fights and the robbery and corruption, as desperate as the Rojos need to believe it, convince themselves and each other that it proves that Roy would've beaten Kovalev, it has no bearing on a Kovalev vs Roy fight.

    Say what you will about Roy but he wasn't a filthy dirty serial cheat who entered into the ring with 5 weapons as opposed to the legal 2 and his defence was his speed and reflexes not lunging in and grabbing a hold of you like an octopus after he's thrown a sneaky lead, leading with his head nonstop all night like a billy goat which you constantly have to be wary of and on guard against, ducking his head between his knees and ankles etc.

    The reason Ward lunged in all the time and octopus grabbed you like a little female dog is because he wanted to essentially eliminate counter punching from your arsenal or reduce it as much as possible

    Here he is getting badly hurt by a counter punch from a truck driver named Kenny Kost. As you can see Ward was badly hurt and a clean punch away from being KTFO

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    And again from a counter. Ward was so discombobulatized by that shot he still can't remember the final 2 rounds of the fight to this day

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    And again by a counter shot

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    Roy didn't do that and Kovalev wouldn't have to be constantly on guard for the top Roy's head crashing into his face all night, being punched low and elbowed all night, Roy ducking his head below waist level so there's no target to hit and the top of his dome crashing into your face as he comes up

    I'm pretty sure Roy's manager wasn't a notorious gangster like James Price of whom it's certainly far from unreasonable to suspect had something to do with all of the corruption and controversy we witnessed in both fights all of which ever so conveniently benefited Ward.

    Roy would present Kovalev with other problems but they were problems which were permitted by the rules

    Even the alcoholic version of Kovalev would only have to land clean once on Roy's glass jaw and Roy would need smelling salts to revive him and Kovalev was fast too with excellent timing and an excellent counter puncher and, as said, his jab was like a right hand and he could easily drop Roy with that alone.

    I wouldn't rule out Roy's chances but there's absolutely no way in hell his chin is withstanding a flush shot from Kovalev and even the Rojos know that too and I'm very confident of him landing the bomb.

    Hell, he would have Roy on wobbly legs from a jab and as it would be game over very quickly after that.
     
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  14. Bokaj

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    That's another part of the hysteria with this coping. It was a close fight, no robbery. An actual robbery was Holy-Lewis 1 or Pea-Ramirez 1. Guess what happened in those rematches btw?

    Kovalev was just shaken by how well Ward came back from a tough start. When the same thing happened in the rematch but only earlier he was starting to break.

    Good for his fans that the fight ended like it did. Had Weeks given Ward a warning and Kovalev enough time to recover to survive the round, Ward would have broken him down badly when action resumed and there would be no ready made excuses. Kovalev was struggling even before Ward hurt him, no way he would have recovered from being battered around the ring like that. He would have gone down hard.
     
  15. Loudon

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    I don't understand people saying that it wasn't a close fight.

    That's ridiculous.