Remembering Whitaker - Chavez: images from the most important fight of the 1990s

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  1. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Actually Scientist, Whitaker looked to be slightly physically stronger at 147 lbs than Chavez......In his weight jump to 147 lbs, he put on muscle that helped him to not be physically overwhelmed by Chavez.
    Chavez did'nt have a body building type of physique, and he did'nt add much muscle to jump to welter.

    Imo it certainly could have played out differently at 140 lbs with Pea carrying 5 lbs less muscle mass......
    ......mass that he used to his advantage againt Chavez at Welter.
     
  2. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Even if we give Chavez an edge in strength at 140, I don't see that largely altering the fight outcome. Chavez didn't show me that he could corner Whitaker enough times to make his strength tell in any realistic sense in the fight. It wasn't like Ricky Hatton and Mayweather for example, where Hatton was onto him for pretty much the whole fight, and had he been in a weight class more accustomed to his ability, it could have made matters difficult for Mayweather. Chavez failed altogether to apply the pressure needed for the strength factor to be really relevant.

    It would have made a bit of a difference, but not enough in my mind to alter the outcome of the result.
     
  3. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Very true.

    It wasnt as bad as people make it out to be but I thought Whitaker did win.
     
  4. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    It was actually the other way around.

    Whitaker`s team didnt think he was ready for Chavez when JCC was in his prime yrs (which with hindsight were also Pea`s prime yrs)

    135 & 140 is a toss-up between these 2.... you must notice that Chavez was never any good after the Whitaker fight, he was on a downward slope, it would be much closer when both were nearer their prime.
     
  5. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Exactly.

    Chavez got old like any other fighter.... people have short memories.... you cant take away what Chavez did until the Whitaker fight... 87-0, 31 yrs of age, attempting to become a 4 weight champion.

    Chavez is top 10.
     
  6. IsaL

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    No it doesn't. Because he had never been one, so how in the world can the "EXPERTS" think he was a great Welter if he has never fought as a Welter.

    They thought he had the skill and power tohave success. That is different.
     
  7. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Settle down. I think there is as much revisionism going on now as there was overrating of Chavez in his prime. Yes he is a great fighter, but no he is not, nor was he ever in the vicinity of Ray Robinson.

    Back in the day some ridiculous things were said about Hector Camacho too which would be laughable today. Doesn't mean Hector was ever as good as they said he was, it was just that people got caught up in hype. The proper time to assess a fighter of course, is when the dust has settled, throwing as much info as you can muster into the equation.
     
  8. IsaL

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    Chavez KO any welter today.
     
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  10. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The one that showed up against Whitaker would beat any welter today imo, and there's a chance he KO's them all too.
     
  11. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    I dont think so......Chavez would have some sucess againt some Welters......but someone like Mosely would be too physically strong for someone of Chavez' size and style to handle.

    Chavez would not be able to back up the skilled and physically strong fighters like Mayweather, Mosely, and Williams.

    Like Scientiest alluded to earlier.....maybe if Chavez bulked himself up and used the modern (and likely unnatural) training methods that likely is used today, it might be a different story......but I doubt the Chavez that passed before our eyes was strong enough to back up the elite welters of today.

    Now, 140 lbs and below, unnatural or not.....Chavez busts these *******s up!:yep
     
  12. imp4pdabest

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    I agree with you Vlade. I just dont see Chavez naturally strong enough to just blow through the welters of today. He could definetely outpoint them, maybe, but just KO them, I doubt it.
     
  13. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    :lol:What do you know, one of the very few times that I'll disagree with you when you're praising Chavez!:lol:
     
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