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It's been explained Scar.

Don King was not going to go outside of his stable for title fights when he didn't have to. He matched Mayorga with Spinks (during this time Mayorga stated he would fight Margarito) and Spinks got that shifty decision win. Then Zab who is another DKP fighter got the next shot at Spinks. And after he lost Don King made it a point to match them again.

 

At times I think, or hope, that posters here are aware of the situations. King tried doing with the WW title what he's done with the HW title. Keep it in the stable.

HEll, Margarito fought Kyvelos with the impression he was to meet Mayorga.

 

Sure we can have a nice discussion indeed but sometimes you just can't help but go out of line when you hear absolute junk like "Floyd is scared to death from Margarito" and so on knowing that the people saying that are more haters of Floyd than fans of Margarito.

Anyway back to the point, I asked that question yet again on purpose obviously with no offense intended just curiosity since a fighter who is SO highly regarded these days doesn't seem to have an impressive list of accomplishments, at least not in my eyes. His style is definitely fun and awesome to watch but still has far too much flaws to be considered a legit threat for someone considered as #1 P4P. Now that he's fighting Cotto next he can prove quite a lot wrong and FORCE a fight with Mayweather, which if Mayweather doesn't take I'll be criticising even more than you and everyone else in this site COMBINED.

 

So you're saying that ever since Margarito stepped up in class and close top 10 material in the division and he never got a chance to unify because of similar reasons?
What about when DLH had the title?, Shane?, the man has been in the division for FAR too long to be a victim of one thing and only that ALL his career. Though it's being changed now and clearly so I can tell that he did have that in plan but probably didn't get a chance but all I'm saying is that it has been FAR too long, how come it was never mentioned till Floyd moved up only?

 

Margarito was a frequent sparring partner for DLH. There was no way DLH would actually fight him in a title fight. Arum seemed content to use Margarito to be DLH's sparring partner. Mosley wanted nothing to do with Margarito and he probably still doesn't.

Forrest was out of the picture after he lost to Mayorga. DK had 3 of the titles taken once Trinidad vacated. They pretty much had to go through DK and DK was having none of it.

Granted I understand DK's position as a promoter. Both Judah and Spinks are well recieved on the east coast. So moneywise putting them together once or twice even three times makes more money than a Margarito fight. But it is what it is. He was locked out of contention.

 

Was he considered the #1 contender ever as Baldomir was before fighting Zab Judah?, of course I know that Baldomir got the shot because he wasn't considered a threat but a tune-up...etc, but I'm wondering was Margarito ever that high up in the rankings for any of the other belts?

 

Dude...I hear exactly what you are saying. At times I wich I had not gotten caught up in stupid post wars with idiots. But sometimes comments can escalate it to that. I guess that goes with the territory of debating something your passionate about. If you see me say that about Floyd, then you can use that against me. I never said he was scared of Margarito. If anytyihg, he was more scared of losing his undefeated record. But even you have to admit how badly it looked for Mayweather to keep turning down 8 mill for a supposed sure thing, in favor of possible fights which weren't set in stone. And I know many thing Margarito wasn't worthy. But due to some of Floyd's recent fights (at the time), we all know that was not true. No one can say the longest reigning WW titleist at tghe time, who had beaten more Ring ranked contenders was not worthy of a shot. When you see other posters defend Mayweather, many basicaly say you have to have an equal resume to earn a shot. Nothing could be furhter from the truth.

Why do you say he doesn't have an impressive list of accomplishments? Is it more that you aren't as familiar with some of his victims? That seems to be the biggest problem. WHich might be why so many Mayweather fans would ask "WHO he fought?" Guess some fans need to be TOLD who's good (not you Scar). The funny thing is, Margariuto is very well thoght of outside of this board. He's ranked highly and seen as a legit threat to any WW today. I don't want to sound like a broken record, but it's been mainkly Mayweather fans who kep saying how terrible Margarito is.

It's normal to think somoene as flawed as Margarito can't beat one of the most skilled fighters on the planet. But boxing is NOT only about skill and being the most skilled fighter isn't a guraranteed victory. Margarito has great size that will even things out. His output and power will also make up for what he lacks. And anyone can see Mayweather's been troubled more by guys who pressure him. Worked with Castillo, Hatton early on, Judah, DLH. Mayweather prefers to be comfortable (who doesn't though right?). One thing that I have pointed out is Mayweather does not move as much as he did lighter. Nor does he throw as many punches as he used to. OR combinations. Tell me that isn't bad news for Mayweather if he fought Margarito. If Mayweather could simply transform the ways he fought @ 130 into his 147 body, I'd pick him in a heartbeat over Margarito. Unfortunately, boxing just doesn't work that way. Bodys and styles change and you get older and heavier. Anyway, I may have strayed from my original point.

 

By owning the WBO, I don't think he was. And that's something that has bothered me. I understand why they don't rank other champs. And he could have dropped his belt at any time. Maybe that would have worked. But it's not a guarantee. And at least by holding a belt, he kept himself somewhat in the mix. Just a situation you never know what will happen.

 

Yea I think Lance is right about that. When you own a title the other orgs won't rank you. So unification becomes an issue of whether or not the promoters will make the fight. DK wasn't going to do it.

 

Can't seem to disagree with anything you posted there, excellent post and thanks for the discussion. Just hoping for Margarito to impress against Cotto since I assure you it won't only be you cheering for him, I'll be cheering as well simply because he deserves a big win even though I'm a Cotto fan. :good

 

I guess the way he took it was to keep the WBO better than dropping it and then becoming #1 contender without getting any shot. Better something than nothing, most likely and can't be blamed there.

 

WHew....busted my ass trying to. It not easy being a boxing fan. But thanks.

I too hope he imnpresses against Cotto. I think Cotto wouod have an easier time getting the fights he wants after a loss then Margarito would. But it's two of my faves....I hate that situation. :twisted:

If Mayweather decides to fight whoever wins...I will STFU about past BS and just be happy.

PS...nice discussing this with ya! I always appreciate your honesty Scar. Even when I'm being a dick.

 

Yeah, if you're big enough a name, you can drop any belt w/o missing a beat. Bit in the end, it took him actually LOSING the WBO belt to get a shot. Go figure...

 

Cotto will dispose of him in 2 rounds or less. :hat

 

Now that would be downright scary! I mean, if Cotto blasted him away like that...I might be speachless for a day or two...