Reminder: Kovalev beat Ward, Golovkin beat Canelo, Fury beat Wilder

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  1. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Promoters with bags of cash to facilitate the "Drawbbery" may write the history of a fighters record, but they do not write the history of what occurred in the ring. It is important that boxing fans remember and hold true to what actually happened. I've noticed a disturbing trend after robberies: fans (if you are a fan of ONE fighter, you are not a boxing fan) of the benefactor of corruption go quiet for a few weeks and little by little try to rewrite reality.

    From:
    "It was a close fight, could've gone either way"
    To:
    "Great fight, but I had (benefactor of robbery) edging it"
    To:
    "(Rightful winner) clearly didn't do enough to win, judges got it right"
    And finally:
    "(Benefactor of robbery) won, salty (rightful winner) fans need to shut the f*** up and get over it"

    Close fights and draws occur, no honest boxing fan has an issue with that. The issue lies with blatant corruption and being told to look the other way. Robberies happen, folks. The sooner we forget them, the sooner they will happen again.
     
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  2. pistal47

    pistal47 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ya......... Nah, they didn't, officially at least. Kovalev didnt beat Ward and I'm 100 on that.
     
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  3. Heavy_Hitter

    Heavy_Hitter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not officially, but they did beat them.
    Honorable mention Korobov
     
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  4. RightLeftCombo

    RightLeftCombo Active Member Full Member

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    Kovalev and Ward should be 1-1, Golovkin and Canelo is reasonably 1-1 as well (or a Golovkin win and a draw) and Fury beat Wilder. There's too much shady business about just to take judges scoring at face value.
     
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  5. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    It's the issue I have with boxing history in general.

    Even if the whole world saw a robbery or multiple robberies happen, history only seldom points it out.
    Genuine pot stirrer is the question if Ali be mentioned as a goat today if all his fishy decisions went the way most fans saw it go?

    History doesn't care if 80% saw the other fighter win and 10% saw it as a draw/could go either way type fight. It's the 1 out of 10 who has the final say, as in many cases at least 2 of the judges were among that 10% for some reason. The name/home/more lucrative fighter gets the nod and the history behind him.
     
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  6. Lazar

    Lazar Boxing Addict Full Member

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    They paid GGG well but robbed him off his legacy.

    On paper.

    However, true boxing fans and historians will always know what happened on those two September nights.
     
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  7. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    McDermott beat Fury but has more to do with Terry O'Connors incompetence at judging a fight than coruption.
     
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  8. GGGfans

    GGGfans Active Member Full Member

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    Kovalev should have had the 10th round in all three judges and therefore a 114-113 victory.

    Same for Golovkin with the 7th round of the first fight and the 5th of the second.

    Same with the 7th round of Wilder vs Fury.

    Without these mistakes (maybe unintentional but I do not think, Canelo, Ward or Wilder coincidentally still have at least the rounds they deserve) the decisions would have been different.
     
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  9. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    Explain Dave Moretty:
    Alvarez-Golovkin I 115-113 Golovkin
    Alvarez-Golovkin II 115-113 Alvarez.
    Byrd was the only one who had it wide(And very very wrong). Everyone else had it either 7-5 or 6-6
    Were they all corrupt?

    Funny enough, Byrd was the only one who had Khan ahead.
     
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  10. Wasteman

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    I'm surprised that this fight doesn't get mentioned more often in these discussions. This was a very clear loss for Fury.
     
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  11. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    I am pretty sure you could find the same round for Ward, Alvarez and Wilder.
     
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  12. NasalSpray

    NasalSpray Well-Known Member Full Member

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    GGG SOLD his legacy to Golden Boy.

    Remember Saunders had signed the undisputed fight and GGG ducked for Canelo 2 instead.
     
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  13. IsaL

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    But but the judges are corrupt and want Canelo to win...:llorona:
     
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  14. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You're telling me there was obvious corruption in at least one judge, in at least one of the fights, which resulted in a robbery? Indeed.

    Please do not be naive about how robberies occur. Do they all need to be corrupt to change a decision? No.

    If you can't see what's going on behind the scenes with fighters like Canelo now, you don't have the mental capacity to ever understand even if it were drawn out for you in a crayon.

    Remember when one judge had Canelo-Mayweather a DRAW? Just another whoopsie! Funny how they're lining up!
     
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  15. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    So there was obvious corruption, yet we don't know from whom?

    Yes, sometimes judges get **** way wrong. But like I said, Byrd was the only one who had Khan ahead.
    There was controversy surrounding Alvarez-Khan scoring. Yet Byrd was the only one who got it correct, as most gelt Khan was ahead at that point.
    So was she corrupt that night as well.

    It's easy to scream CORRUPTION! CORRUPTION! Yet the judges have it within one point.
     
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