I've always been of the opinion that Manny used PEDs until around 2010 then stopped because either Mayweather accused him, or he had a crisis of conscience. However, it's also pretty obvious that Mayweather never stopped using PEDs even while accusing Manny, and that Marquez started using them around 2010 or 2011. Without the PEDs Manny and Marquez are about equal and I think the drugs swung things Pac's way in their first two and Marquez' way in the last two.
This is just classless stuff. Let's appreciate JMM and leave it at that. They were great fights thankfully.
This is another funny thing about Pac fans - "JMM is an excuse making whiner" when Pac has ended up being... an excuse making whiner.
I'd like to dissect the first fight briefly. Everyone cites the knockdowns in round 1, if Pac only won because of those 3 knockdowns in the first round then we know who is better head to head: Marquez. With the fight being THAT close and Pac getting THAT much of a head start, he was outboxed. I'm not saying Marquez won or Pac didn't, just putting it into perspective. All 4 of their fights were razor thin.
Yeah, Marquez clearly won at least seven of the remaining twelve rounds that night. I think maybe one or two rounds at most being hard to call. If you give Marquez 8 round; and you could, he still wins even with 10-6 opening frame against him. It's a close fight either way. I actually called it a draw at the time because I scored one round even. Either way, not a robbery in the slightest.
Only way to decide this is a 5th fight. Otherwise you can argue till Christmas wont change a damn thing