Remove Y from X's Resume and X will no longer be an ATG

A seriously large amount of these are blatantly wrong.

 

Holman Williams and Harada are certainly ATGs with or without those wins.

 

Not really a lot of atg's have their legacy standing on just one win. Usually they have a series of great wins in a short period of time or completely dominance of a division for a significant period of time.

 

I would agree with that. Maybe George Foreman loses standing without Joe Frazier, but there's other fights, in both careers, that build toward an ATG legacy.

The guys who would lose legacy points were the types who were very good in their day but fall short of being an ATG. Norton loses a lot of points if you take away Ali. Bowe loses points without Holyfield. Douglas loses a ton of points without Tyson. Norton, Bowe, and Douglas were very good, even outstanding in a few fights, but they were not All Time Greats.

 

Harada beat two borderline all-time greats at flyweight and was basically unbeaten and unbeatable at the weight (the second Kingpetch fight was a typical Bangkok robbery). No flyweight I've seen in my lifetime comes close to beating him in a hypothetical head-to-head.

He also should've won a featherweight title, and the first Famechon fight may be the worst decision I've seen, and the decision was lustily booed even by the home fans.

Harada does not need Jofre to be an all-time great.

 

Harada, Marquez, Williams, Saddler, Whitaker, Loughran, Britton jump out as just wrong.

Marquez’s career and status, for example, wasn’t just built on that KO. He fought on at least level terms with Pacquaio at three different stages in their careers and he did a lot of good work around those fights like unify two of the classic divisions, lineal at a hot division by dethroning a fellow ATG on a hot streak in addition to being a clearly brilliant and skilled fighter over twenty years.

 

Im not sure if Mosley is an ATG. Baby Arizmendi an ATG? Says who?

 

Being a hall of famer does not automatically mean you are an ATG

 

Nothing “disputed” about the Barrera win. Don’t let HBO’s terrible call cloud your judgment. I was at that fight and everyone had it wide. The John fight was definitely “disputed”. A truly horrible decisio. The Bradley loss was when he was 40 at welterweight. It doesn’t factor in.

I think dominant wins over Medina (who’d really beaten Tapia) and Gainer to unify was good in 2003. He’d been an excellent fighter for years before that. His Salido win got better over time and the fact he was stopping dudes at 135 despite being mid 30s was impressive. Don’t forget, he wasn’t all that much younger than Casamayor either.