Renaldo Snipes vs Rocky Marciano

Snipes has the tools to get the job done or at least give Rocky a good fight. I'd say the later is likely, but Rocky's workrate and determination win the championship rounds.

 

So this whole Marciano destroys him in a few rounds is silly

 

Yes, Holmes would have some trouble today.
But the thing you are just not able to get is that these trimmed 215 HWs have speed over the 235 guys (forget about the fat ones, they are >220 trimmed anyway). Rocky does not have speed over alot of fighters!

 

I am not biased against Holmes I am disappointed and there is a differnce. I am disappointed that he did not even try to fight the best of his era, never unified against a multitude of titlist and never rematched a tough opponent. That being said I wish he would have proved he was the best of his era. Biased and understanding truth are 2 different things. Larry is someone I have met and like but I have to be honest about his career.

 

you must be a young fellow because size is everything to you. I guess you are a fan of 6'8 David Price or 7" 300lb Valuev

 

You nailed it. Thats why I favour Primo Carnera over most fighters.

 

And you bring these same points up every time you mention the man yet come to Marcianos defense no matter what.
Look do you honestly believe Page Dokes or Thomas could beat evan an aging Holmes which he was at the time. Be honest with yourself. None of those guys stood a chance at beating Holmes. They simply weren't good enough. Not even close.

 

Michael Spinks was good enough to jump up from light heavy and beat Holmes but those guys weren't even close to being good enough? I think there's a very good chance that at least one of them beats an aging Holmes. That version of Holmes had problems with guys who could fight from range.

 

Spinks was a more complete fighter than any of those 3 then through in his awkwardness to boot.

 

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Page had a dangerous right hand, his weakness was conditioning but he had speed and a right hand, I think Holmes felt Page was enough of a threat to give up a title not to fight him. Thomas was on a roll had a great jab, good power & a very good chin,
Thomas was better than 99.9% of Holmes opponents, Thomas had a better chance and was rated above Michael Spinks who beat Holmes.

Dokes had fast hands and movement, young and strong I think he was better skilled than Zanon,Evangelista,10 fight Marvis,14 fight Bey,14 fight Smith, Jones,Scott.....drugs was the downfall of the 3 you mentioned

but there were other fights Holmes avoided like Tate before he lost to Weaver, Holmes did not unify vs Weaver who gained confidence from fighting Holmes 18-9 record underdog but then won a title. Coetzee dropped Renaldo Snipes 2X and was robbed of the decision by King but Snipes got the shot, Coetzee also KO'd Leon Spinks in 1 and Spinks got the shot not Coetzee.

Holmes best challenges were Shavers(who was already beaten many times) and Cooney who never fought past 8 rounds.

I thought a lot of Holmes but can not avoid the facts of his era like so may do on ESB, there is a double standard when it comes to him. Another thing that goes unnoticed is that King paid off John Ort of ring magazine to lift up Holmes opponents in the Ring ratings. This was proven.

I thought Holmes had many good qualities, great jab,heart, and skills but he avoided the best of his era and was not a strong era. Tyson kind of put it all in perspective when he made quick work of everyone including Holmes on his way up

As far as Marciano I just give him his credit due- 6 title defenses 5 #1 contenders, always rematched hard fights despite color. Fought the best, I dont see Snipes being a problem for any ATG

 

So your saying Marcianos title defenses were against opponents in there prime? Marciano had the luxury of fighting past there peak opponents. That's not a secret. Like I said none of these guys could take a past it Holmes so if Holmes went with the money and softer defenses in some cases big deal. Most other Champs in there twilight yrs did the same. Holmes skill level is proven. The previous mentioned have to try an put it as ll together on one day and make it happen somehow because there either too fat or strung out or God knows what else. Come on man you know it too

 

Walcott was fit, strong & cagey when Marciano fought him fight one and when JJ was in top condition he was dangerous and Marciano had no choice Walcott was Champion. Charles just came off 2 explosive wins over Bob Satterfield & Coley Wallace and had only lost a couple of close decisions in his last 14 or so fights and was top contender, he was a year older than Marciano, Moore was lightheavyweight Champ but KO'd Bob Baker and beat Nino Valdez and Moore only lost to Harold Johnson in a disputed decision and a DQ in his last 50 fights but Ko'd Johnson in a rematch & was the deserving guy.

Holmes disappointed me as a fan, I feel he didnt fight the best or rematch tough fights or unify. If I didnt think he was a good fighter top 15 ATG I wouldnt care that he never proved it against the better men of his day but all is good we can agree to disagree

 

Thomas beat Witherspoon much more easily than Holmes, Weaver more easily, and Homes ducked Thomas, three pieces of evidence that yes, Thomas could have beaten Holmes before heroin destroyed him.

Be honest with yourself.

 

Here we go again. Sorry no one armed fighter is beating Holmes even if he is past his prime. Get over it man. BtW the Spoon and Weaver versions that fought Holmes both KO Thomas. Deal with it. Accept it