Renaldo Snipes vs Rocky Marciano

Not sure on what planet Thomas didn't beat the best of Witherspoon. Thy Snipes in the thread title also fought Timmy on even terms right before Tim fought Holmes.

Witherspoon fought Thomas just 15 months after he fought Holmes. He was all of 27. He'd had experience building bouts. He was coming off the best win of his career. He was in great shape.

This was as good as it got for Witherspoon. He wasn't tired at the end of the bout, Thomas just had his measure in every way, shape and form. He jabbed his head off. Witherspoon had no answers for the Thomas jab, none. Dundee who had been brought in to train Thomas said he had the closest thing he'd seen to Sonny Liston's jab.

Tho he didn't quite out jab Holmes Witherspoon all but nullified Larry's jab. It's well documented that this fight was the one where people realized Holmes was slipping. He'd lost half a step and his jab had lost a bit of snap.

The Witherspoon that Thomas beat was absolutely no worse than the one Holmes fought. He was in great shape defending the title he'd just won. Thinking he was better against Holmes because he did better in the ring against Larry than he did against Thomas is seriously flawed and wishful thinking. Larry at this point was slipping and Thomas at his best. Thomas absolutely would have been a competitive fight for Holmes at this time. He was certainly far too good for Timmy. He also beat Weaver very convincingly.

The Thomas that beat Spoon beats any version of him and would be favored over any version of Weaver. Weaver's only loss post Holmes had been the rather suspect quick stoppage to Weaver. He came straight back and should have been given the verdict over Dokes. Excepting this suspect loss Weaver was unbeaten in 6 years.

 

Sorry, but you are completely ignoring what are pretty much indisputable. Thomas did better against multiple common opponents and Holmes was afraid of him. That is really all there is to it.

 

Alfredo Evangelista beat Snipes by decision.

 

You mean the common opponents who were then past there best when Thomas fought them.
Look Thomas was basically a one armed fighter relying on his jab. At no point did Thomas ever have a better jab than Holmes. Holmes has no rt cross to worry about from Thomas nothing at all so sorry theres no chance Thomas can do anything with Holmes. A one armed bandit gets schooled by even an old Holmes.

 

Uh, no. Witherspoon had another title run in him, so no, you pulled that entirely out of your ass. The version of Witherspoon that Thomas beat was MANIFESTLY BETTER than the one that Holmes sort-of beat.

Weaver's maybe, but his title run was ahead of him when he fought and badly rocked Holmes, so you can just as easily say that conversely he had not hit his stride yet when Larry fought him. He might have been better than the version Larry fought.

And together, ALONG WITH THE FACT THAT LARRY HOLMES WAS AFRAID OF HIM, it makes very compelling evidence.

You can be in denial all you want, but Larry ran from him and he demonstrated superior ability, so make no mistake about it, it is JUST your denial.

 

LOL the Spoon that fought Holmes KO's Thomas.
BTW I enjoy life too much than too hold all this bitterness and hatred about Holmes and his title defenses from decades ago. It's just weird man how u obsess over this and bring it up every chance you get. Very weird man

 

It seems silly to bring up all Holmes title defenses when he was blatantly ducking the best competition towards the end of his reign. It's not comparable to someone fighting the best consistently.