Replace Tunney with Archie Moore for his title fights with Dempsey - what happens?

I would doubt Archie Moore would even think he could beat Dempsey if asked.atsch

 

Moore def. stops this version of Dempsey probably in the later rounds the only advantage Dempsey MIGHT hold is raw power, but even that is debatable. Moore could stand toe-to-toe with the more powerful, more durable, Marciano who had a much higher output and more pressure (bar the first few rounds) than Dempsey and Moore survived for 9 rounds, decking Marciano in the process.

 

Coming, coming!. I'm taking my tranqullizer...Good. Now I feel better, but I forgot the question ...atsch

 

Oh yes ...Replacing the heavyweight Archie Moore [best as a LH ] instead of Gene Tunney, will result in an entirely different outcome. Gene Tunney caused such havoc with a 32 year old RUSTY [3 years in Hollywood] Dempsey because of Tunney's great set of wheels which the now slow plodding Dempsey could not catch up with...You can't hurt what you can't hit, is an old adage which held true in the Dempsey / Tunney fight...And
Tunney was a great disciplined scooter, always on the go...
Archie Moore as a heavyweight could not move at all and Dempsey though way past his peak could still hit hard and hurt Archie Moore resulting in a Dempsey KO, I believe...Dempsey was still very strong in close, and would get his way in close quarters...
I'll even go out on a limb by saying the prime Jack Sharkey of the Dempsey fight in 1927, then 25 years old, who just whipped Harry Wills, would have beaten the older heavyweight Archie Moore , both as heavyweights...Archie Moore was one of the greatest light heavies ever, but as an older heavyweight was not half as effective...Dempsey though slow and old in the Tunney, Sharkey fights, was a mean old cuss and would wear down the slow moving heavyweight Archie Moore for a late stoppage, I believe...
P.S. Remember what a slow, crude lightheavyweight Yvon Durrelle did to Archie Moore in their fight, and Durelle wouldn't have been a sparring partner for Dempsey...To beat any version of Dempsey, you had to have great mobility and tire him out, and old Archie, though a great thinker
could not move enough to escape the stronger old Jack Dempsey...

 

Dempsey captures lightning in a bottle and catches Moore with a left hook..similar to the one he flattened Sharkey with and helped put the steel chinned Tunney down for the Long Count. Moore would be dominating him until then, but as it has already been pointed out, Moore didn't have the chin of Tunney, nor was he as mobile. This and the fact that Dempsey had that explosuve power..even at his advanced age and relative station as a fighter. Lesser fighters have put down and ko'ed Moore, and Dempsey contiually gets underrated in this forum.

 

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Archie had some of the very best upperbody movement in the early 1950s campaigning as a heavyweight

 

People here seem to think the 1927 Jack Dempsey was still great. The truth is he was not anymore, and he would get exposed badly by Archie.

What is this myth about "running a track meet" to beat Dempsey? There is a lot more to mobility than running away. Archie was plenty mobile.


Do people not realize Archie had the punching power to knock Dempsey out cold?

 

Moore only weighed in at 180lbs or over, twice Depending if you believe Moore ,or his mother.


I'd give the Sharkey that fought Dempsey a hell of a shot at that Moore ,in fact I'd bet on him.

 

Burt, people still have no concept how great Tunney was. And remember, since Jack won the title in 1919 and Tunney still in Marines, Gene studied and perfected a style to beat the mauler. In my mind, Tunney and Charles were the greatest ltheavies ever. But also, that Gene was in the top 9 heavies all time also. I would take Gene to KO Moore at ltheavy. Kind of a Salvador Sanchez type Gene was and he gets no respect. Sadly, neither does Mannassa Jack. But what legendary careers they had. Still 90 years later they are talked about and have books written about them. Do you you think the ultraexciting Mayweather will in 100 years. I doubt it. The tv guys and current nonboxing knowing sportswriters are going gaga over a fight w/ Cotto that would be considered boring for anyone else. Dempsey and Tunneys have lived 4ever.

 

And in that prime he was on the floor 9 times. Everyone assumes Moore stops Dempsey , rusty as he was Dempsey could still hit, and Moore did not have Tunney's wheels to evade punches, as his acquaintance with the canvas proves.