Replace Tunney with Archie Moore for his title fights with Dempsey - what happens?

S, tell me who Tunney "undermined" ?. All nonsense...Tunney was not liked because secretly people envy'd his wealth, good looks and the fact that he beat an icon in Jack Dempsey...Some people despise people who become a success, and Tunney BECAME a success, though born into an Irish working class family in Greenwich Village in NYC...State facts, not innuendo's...
Cheers...

 

Until it's been determined without a doubt that Tunney was that elitist snob that he accused here of being, I'll give him the benefit of a doubt and just call bull**** on it all. Like burt said, Tunney was unfairly dumped upon by the press and unknowing fans alike simply because of his erudition and reserved personality...hardly reasons, in light of the types we have today, to hold it against the man....but it's much like how the K brothers are so scorned because of being white, decent and educated.

 

Wonder how Gallico and Rickard would have liked the ghetto-thug types that proliferate today..

 

It's not about the ghetto types. I am a big fan of Wladimir Klitschko. I respect educated boxers greatly. But I don't respect elitist snobs. Don't lump every white educated boxer in there with Tunney. It's not that Tunney got the education. It's how he handled the education he got.

Boxing Historian Kevin Smith described Tunney as "An elitist snob. He also may have been a racist(which was not surprising for the times)"

 

interesting

http://quixoticjoust.blogspot.com/2012/01/gene-tunneys-schickeversharp-and-yale.html

 

This thread reminds me of a bit I read in The Legendary Champions:

Often aloof, seemingly pompous, a prizefighter with a taste for the humanities, Tunney alienated many fans and most of the press during his climb to the heavyweight championship. To some, this tall, slender young man with the light brown hair, Mediterranean blue eyes and singularly open, trustworthy countenance was priggish, too All-American for the image of a gutsy ringman. He did not look as though he could sweat. Newspapermen liked to poke fun at him and deprecated his fighting skills; a prizefighter was somebody like Dempsey or Ketchel or good old Jeffries. They amused readers by reporting Tunney's speech of dismissal to a pest at his training camp: "You are full of self-approbation and deceit." He was dismissed as a sesquipedalian. The joke of the early twenties was his avowal that he would one day beat Dempsey.

 

Plenty of snobs around here, I think we can allow the fighters that gave back to us to have a few of their own.

 

First they would actually have to co-exist wit them ... a huge step ...

 

HEGrant,

Yawn. I used to care about the **** you spewed. Not anymore. I just laugh then go on with my day.

 

I think Dempsey wins by KO. This is because Moore would have fought with Dempsey. The infighting would have favored Dempsey's game; Moore, in spite of his power and trickiness, could never have traded with Jack.

Dempsey's weakness was against boxers with great leg work. Moore -- in spite of his ATG status -- didn't match this profile.