Report: Duran in great shape the week before Leonard-Duran II

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  1. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is where you are moron. You follow what other people say and do and think that matters. Duran has slipped in many great lists in the last few years and he will continue to. Leonard is greater than Duran. He beat better fighters and was more versatile. Manny Pacman was greater. Floyd? I don't like Floyd, but I think his style beats Duran. But I don't think he would have fought him.
     
  2. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have pity for you who doesn't understand things beyond what you want to believe.
     
  3. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yep. Ray had great footwork and versatility. And Roberto Duran still beat that ass easily. Feinted Ray crazy and nailed him with lead rights. Ray couldn't figure where the punches were coming from. The best part is after the fight when top 10 ranked ROGER LEONARD charged Duran after Roberto told Benitez to .... his dick and Duran knocked him out with 1 punch . Of course Duran had fought at 154 before Roger, in 1978. So, in 15 rds and 1 punch, Duran beat both brothers and made the wife and sister pass put. Pretty good night indeed.
     
  4. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ray was fighting his fight. From the get go. Put the first and second fight side by side. I posted it here yesterday if you go back, but I doubt you would. I am not going to put that effort out again. See the difference. Duran beat Ray and hit Roger and a horse and needed Pepto Bismol in the rematch. We know the story and the excuses. We also know how Benitez outclassed Duran and so did Hearns. We know it all, and you are right Duran fought at 154 before Hearns,Leonard and Benitez did. Very significant. You are learning.
     
  5. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    NO HE HASN'T. THAT IS ANOTHER LIE. It is over for you man. You have been shown out. I like yr posts on other subjects but everytime you post on Duran people will know you are lying. Not good. Good luck to you. Hope you can make a comeback some day.
     
  6. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    you are backing out? Fine,another one moves on. Listen, if you cannot take the truth about Duran and defend it, then maybe you should reassess your defense of him.
     
  7. JohnThomas1

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    This thread will keep giving for some time i imagine.
     
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  8. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As the other one did that you predicted it would
     
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  9. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Neither guy dominated the other guy ...both fights were competitive...Leonard does not get enough credit for his performance in Montreal
     
  10. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why would anyone who is a Duran supporter claim that Ray Leonard was overrated?
     
  11. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    The most successful myths always have a kernel of truth in them. And they usually fit one’s agenda and world view. Yeah, everyone knows that Durán regularly put on a lot of weight and took it off. And even though Leonard was more popular at the time, hardcore middle-aged boxing fans now worship Duran and think less of Leonard. So they can’t fathom that Duran was well trained and in great physical shape but lost the psychological and strategic war so badly he quit out of frustration. Or even that he was just done in by pigging out after the weigh-in or something trivial like that.

    I don’t know what you remember from the time period but it seems like absolutely nobody had anything negative to say about Duran’s weight, appearance, or conditioning until well after the fight. Do you disagree? Am I missing something? Living through a period doesn’t mean that you remember it correctly, or that you had access to all the available information. The conventional wisdom isn’t always right. Not sure why but classic boxing fans often tend to spread questionable stories with an air of certainty, instead of being more humble and open-minded, and reconsidering their assumptions in light of the available evidence. If I were going around spreading a common story about Lennox Lewis twenty years from now, and a younger fan presented me with contemporaneous evidence that rebutted my position, I would like to think that I would evaluate it very carefully instead of just dismissing it out of hand. But maybe that’s just me. I think the evidence I’ve laid out will be more compelling than the (second or third round of) after-the-fact excuses that boxing fans recite today.
     
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  12. JC40

    JC40 Boxing fan since 1972 banned Full Member

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    G’day Kev, I don’t believe Duran was in near good a shape as Montreal but it’s no excuse at all. Just my personal observation.

    I always actually thought that Duran being a really smart guy as far as boxing goes realised that Leonard was going to improve on the first fight and perhaps that knowledge rattled him. In the end only he knows.

    I do remember reading a really interesting piece by Jose Torres after the fight regarding Duran quitting. Torres basically claimed that Duran’s machismo ended up being a weakness in the fact that when he faced a guy he couldn’t bully physically and who was mocking him badly and making him feel embarrassed that he had a momentary mental breakdown and quit.

    An interesting theory.

    Cheers Mate.
     
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  13. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes I remember it correctly. But hey, now 38 yrs later your on the case so please, rewrite history.
     
  14. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Sounds plausible to me.
     
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  15. Rope-a-Dope

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    I believe that to a man of Duran's mentality, being mocked is worse than quitting or being KO'd. I think he's probably a lot less embarrassed about being blown out by Hearns than he would have been if the Leonard II fight had gone 15 with him being mocked more like he was in the 7th round.
     
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