Rescored Cotto-Clottey

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by josak, Jun 14, 2009.


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  1. josak

    josak Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Rewatched Cotto Clotely in high quality very closely, here's how I scored it:

    cotto 10/8
    Clottey 10/9
    Cotto 10/9
    Even 10/10
    Clottey 10/9
    Cotto 10/9
    Clottey 10/9
    Clotty 10/9
    Even 10/10
    Clottey 10/9
    Even 10/10
    Cotto 10/9

    115/115 Draw

    HOWEVER, HBO punchstats indicate Clottey landed 43 more punches in the fight, but Cotto threw 100 more punches. If that's the case, then Clottey may have won the fight.

    Regardless, this fight was very very close from the opening bell. Aside from rounds 1, 6, 7, & 8, all the rounds were extremely close & back and forth.

    One big factor in this fight was Cotto's eye. It really changed the fight. It was obviously affecting him badly and made him unable to see the right hands coming.

    Cotto showed a lot of heart in this fight, and he impressed me. I think the cut really put him at a disadvantage.

    Overall great fight, there should be a rematch.
     
    josak, Jun 14, 2009
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  2. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    It's a cop out to give even rounds.

    Also to pick further holes, Round 4 was a definite Cotto round, Round 9 was a definite Clottey round, Round 10 was a definite Cotto round, Round 11 was a definite Clottey round.
     
    PugilisticPower, Jun 14, 2009
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  3. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Too many even rounds.
     
    Zakman, Jun 14, 2009
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  4. J.R.

    J.R. No Mames Guey Full Member

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    How in the **** did you manage to get the 4th round even? Cotto went to work on Clottey's ass in that round.
     
    J.R., Jun 14, 2009
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  5. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    However you scored the fight, why second guess yourself based on HBOs Punchstats? You scored the roundS how you saw them, **** the computer!!!!
     
    GazOC, Jun 14, 2009
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  6. josak

    josak Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Round 11, both fighters ladned the same amount of punches per HBO punchstats.

    Round 10 was a Clottey round, you need to watch that again.

    Round 4 Clottey landed one more power punch then Cotto per punchstats. 4 and 9 were very very close.
     
    josak, Jun 14, 2009
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  7. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    HBO punchstats tell a very limited side of the story.
     
    PugilisticPower, Jun 14, 2009
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  8. josak

    josak Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I didn't base it purely on punchstats, I watched the fight very close. Those rounds were extremely close, back and forth rounds. One guy would land punches, and the other guy would come back moments later. Most of Cotto's shots in the fight were blocked or half-blocked. Clottey overall landed the more consistent, accurate punches, while Cotto threw a lot more. The fight could of went either way.
     
    josak, Jun 14, 2009
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  9. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    i agree. Fights are scored by round not by number. You should never go back and rescore or rethink just because of some imaginary number. Keep in mind compubox is just two ****ing guys watching the same fight as you. No more accurate, no more reliable than anyone else.
     
    Jorodz, Jun 14, 2009
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  10. ocelot

    ocelot Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Punch stats mean nothing. A fighter can get 90% of his connects in one or two rounds, out-connect his adversary, but lose all the other rounds. Doesn't mean he deserves to win the fight.
     
    ocelot, Jun 14, 2009
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  11. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You put far too much credence into punchstats. Not all punches are created equal. Clottey's inactivity cost him the fight.

    Clottey's post-fight interview indicated that he seems to think being the one moving forward = winning the round. That's not how it works.

    Clottey seemed to get too comfortable with Cotto being impaired and he didn't force the issue.
     
    Marnoff, Jun 14, 2009
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  12. finalfight

    finalfight Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Punch stats have about as much relevance as accurate vote counting in Florida.

    My head (and heart) says Cotto won. Two out of three judges scoring at ringside agree.
     
    finalfight, Jun 14, 2009
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  13. nervousxtian

    nervousxtian Trolljegeren Full Member

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    3 even rounds?

    You don't score even rounds, judges don't, you shouldn't either.
     
    nervousxtian, Jun 15, 2009
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  14. Vengeance

    Vengeance Certified Headhunter Full Member

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    What's wrong with even-round scoring?

    If Fighter A wins 6 obviously one-sided rounds and Fighter B wins 6 razor-thin close rounds that could've been scored either way, should that fight be a draw? Hell no! Fighter A should win, and would win if you scored some of those rounds even.

    When the round is that close, why should one guy get the point over the other? He shouldn't. One point can make a huge difference in the final outcome of a close fight. A fight can go from 115-113 to 116-112 with just one round scored differently. Imagine 2 rounds. Or 3 or 4. Think how much that skews the final decision.
     
    Vengeance, Jun 15, 2009
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  15. theboy_racer

    theboy_racer Boxing Junkie banned

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    Correct till then, Rd 11 was a Cotto rd.
     
    theboy_racer, Jun 15, 2009
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