Rescoring De La Hoya-Trinidad....what is your new scorecard

Solid points. I watched Tito-DLH again and was thinking of New Orleans too.

PS/I think we mean "perimeter" not "parameter" -perimeter suggesting an imaginary and fluid line between two fighters where one can reach the opponent and the opponent can reach him.

 

It's all subjective. Divac and I have an opinion about what boxing should be -he believes that it consititues "true boxing" whereas I believe it to be the most advanced demonstration of it. We more or less believe that it is a matter of level of sophistication and skill. Jumping around out of reach and jumping in to land a quick shot is athleticism. Staying inside the perimeter or in the pocket if you will -is harder.

Watch kids with gloves in a ring or on the street and what are they doing? The former -not the latter. They jump in and out with their hands down relying on speed of foot.

I'd go even further -infighting is a major distinguishing factor that indicates skillful boxing. Advanced practioners can do what McCallum does here:

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He could have ran and perhaps made it easier, and if he wasn't capable of hurting Julian, that may even be advisable, but this remains a great demonstration of boxing.

This isn't:

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And yet you can count on post Ali/Leonard commentators to assert that Nunn is a better "boxer" simply because of his gams. I say "no he ain't" -great practitioners have more than gams.

 

I agree with you in principle stonehands, but Nunn is not a good example imo.

he was usually a highly accomplished infighter that could be well schooled when he wanted to...his uppercuts on the inside were a thing of beauty.His mentality and work ethic were simply awful.he had his flaws for sure and i am no big fan, but even against Toney there were moments of textbook brilliance and he had the better of what infighting there was.

You could easily post a youtube link of the latter rounds of McCallum's fight with Kalambay and make him look a lot worse than he actually was technically as well.A fight where he showed no knowledge of how to cut the ring off and a complete inability to set up his combos on a defensively sound opponent.

As far as Tito vs DLH goes, it was the fight that hit home to me that neither of these two were likely to go down as all-timers.Mediocre stuff through and through

 

Good eye, although what McCallum "does here" is what I am upholding as pure mastery. What Nunn "did there" is what I am asserting is not. McCallum did not look like much of a technician against Curry either, and nor did Toney against Nunn, although Toney was beautiful against McCallum.

I think that we disagree more than agree about Nunn though, he struck me as vulnerable -always. He fought smugly and lankily -his hands were often low and his chin had a flag on it. His technical prowess was never that solid although I'm sure that we could both pick out brief examples of good technique in a given fight of his. I think those are exceptions to the norm.