Research request Ted White (conqueror of Kid McCoy)

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  1. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I'll look into this myself if no one else does, but I don't want to start looking into another thing while I'm in the middle of already researching multiple others.

    He beat Kid McCoy only 3 months and a few days before McCoy beat Tommy Ryan
    There's a report of his last fight in the Kid Lavigne thread, which was only half a year later BTW

    A few years before White lost to Billy McCarthy, who unsuccessfully challenged Jack Dempsey, so I think looking into White could help in assessing Dempsey.

    He has losses on boxrec to Bill Francis, and Jack Roberts, looking at the weights I presume this is a different Ted White, but worth checking.
     
  2. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1895-11-26 The Sporting Life (London, England) (page 4)
    TEN ROUNDS CONTEST.
    TED WHITE (LONDON) BEAT C. (KID) McCOY (AMERICA).
    After the ring had been re-adjusted these middle-weights stepped within the ropes to box ten two-minute rounds. McCoy, who only wore a pair of short swimming drawers, stands nearly six feet in height, and looked in splendid condition, had for his seconds Joe McGrath (of Dublin) and Alf. Robb. Ted White, who is an ex-amateur heavy-weight champion, though only weighing 10st 13lb, stands 5ft. 9 in., and was waited upon by Jem Goode and Fat Condon. Of the two McCoy certainly appeared the more confident, White looking rather anxious, when, everything being in readiness, "Time!" was called, and they faced each other. Directly the pair reached the centre of the ring McCoy commenced in a hurricane style, but he found White quite ready to receive him. Some scrambling exchanges were indulged in, during which the visitor reached White's nose, the latter looking in anything but such condition as his opponent, the American being much the fresher of the pair when they took their corners. The Yank was the first to lead off when they again faced, and succeeded in getting home twice on Ted's dial without a return. This somewhat non-plussed the Londoner, whose returns went over McCoy's shoulder. This did not appear to suit White, who tried to get to close quarters, and a clinch was the result, but they quickly broke away, and in some give-and-take exchanges the American still showed to advantage. McCoy was more steady in his deliveries during the next round, and twice shot his left over the Englishman's guard. White then rushed in, determined to land his left at all hazards, and got home on the face, swinging his right on the ribs. This brought on some rattling exchanges, in which there was but little to choose between them, whilst the next round was of a hurricane character all through, the pair repeatedly getting to close quarters, which gave White an opportunity of equalising matters. Both were slower in their movements during the sixth round, but each was still determined. White now tried to force the fighting, but was repeatedly short in his deliveries, and McCoy sent home a punch on the jaw that could be heard round the ring. White tried his left twice at the mark in the opening of the next round, but neither blow reached its destination, and McCoy replied with two swinging blows on the side of the head, the pair several times after getting in holds, and were ordered to break away, the same performance being indulged in during the seventh round, at the expiration of which White was decidedly the stronger. The Londoner now having got the measure of his man gave him no rest, and chased McCoy all over the ring, the latter being compelled to act almost entirely on the defensive, and before the next interval for rest arrived began to look serious. The ninth round was in favour of White, who managed to get his right home two or three times on the neck. Starting for the tenth round each looked determined, but White was the stronger, and getting left and right home on the face and neck, sent McCoy back towards the ropes. The latter tried to stop the rushes of the Englishman, but was unable to do so, and White scoring very fast right up to the finish, gained a very popular verdict.
     
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  3. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Here's a bit from M'Carthy Vs White. There's loads more, giving background info
    The article said M'Carthy had had over 70 fights, so if anyone want a record to research.

    The Sportsman - Tuesday 09 February 1892

    The ex-amateur scaled 10st 10Ib, and M'Carthy 11st 2Ib. Owing to the late hour at which the affair was brought to a definite issue, our introductory remarks must necessarily be brief. White forced the work, but though his left hand was constantly on some part of M'Carthy's anatomy, his deliveries made little impression on the old warrior. The harder White hit, the better M'Carthy seemed to like it. At starting, the betting was 55 to 50 on the Anglo-Australian, but in the fourth round level money was taken. Throughout what may be termed an ugly bight, M'Carthy especially conducted himself in the fairest possibly manner. In the eigth round he knocked White off his pins, and retired right away to his corner. Another time, when requested not to hold, he backed away and bowed to the referee. Mr Angle, who filled this position, frequently had to make himself heard, the men often through weakness being some time in holds. Eventually the end came in the thirteenth round—M'Carthy leading left and right on the jaw, and winning his second battle in the land of his birth. As a boxer for points, the winner is of no account. His capacity for receiving punishment, however, is remarkable, and he fairly wore White don in a stubborn and punishing set to. Taking no notice whatever of the ex-amateur's thumps, Billy was content to get one in now and then. When he did so, the force of his deliveries was plainly apparent, and on his latest showing Billy is essentially a finisher fighter. Mr Tom Anderson held the watch and appended will be found details of
    THE CONTEST
    Round 1. It was close upon half-past eleven when Billy McCarthy entered the ring ad pulled his forelook to the company. At the same moment White took his seat, and the pair quickly stripped for the fight. On squaring up both men looked in perfect condition, but White was much thinner than his opponent. Ted led lightly with the left, and again popped in the same fist on the jaw. McCarthy got away, and coming together again, the pair clinched, but broke away in responce to Mr Angle's "don't gold," Billy worked his left nervously, and getting well on the nose caused it to assume a rosy tint. The Australian forced the fighting, but it was not fast, and, swinging the right dangerously, just missed the ex-amateur. Very little as done, and of that little McCarthy had the best when time was called.
    Round 2. White was quick to work, and dashed in the left, Billy retreating out of distance, Ted seemed anxious to force matters, but the old-'un was very tricky, and slipped White splendidly. In getting away McCarthy slipped down, but was soon up. White was still hard at work endeavouring to bustle his opponent, but no damage was done. At last he planted the left well on the dial, but failed to get out of danger, and Billy upper-cut him so severely that he grunted to some tune. Apparently waiting his time, M'Carthy displayed a lot of ringcraft and let White waste his energy. Matters very favourable to the Australian at the close.
    Round 3. McCarthy moved cautiously up to White, ho retreated, not too eager. M'Carthy let fly both hands and got fairly home, and in a clinch White had much the worst of matters. hite put in a sprawling shot with the left, but after receving the nasty right on the ear, looked much the worse for wear. More clinching followed, and White seemed shy. He fought for the body, and did no good.
    Round 4. Both were quick to scrath, and White opened fire, planting the left on the throat. Again applying the sinister weapon he was short, but did good work at in-fighting, when the pair came together. On separating, White popped in the left on the body, and swinging the right, but to no purposes. M'Carthy missed with the left and failed to stop two awkward smacks, directed at the face. Both were now showing blood, but the fighting was not rapid. White improved his chances much and fought well with the left.
    Round 5. Acting on instructions, White started with a rush and scored a splendid left on the nose, a clinch following. On breaking away in reference to the referee's orders, White again rushed in, but McCarthy dug him on the ribs at close quarters. A little sparring ensued, White being a trifle shy, and McCarthy drove home the right, White clinching to save. The Australian forced his advantage and jumped out of distance, and slipped a couple of nasty ones from the Englishmen. On closing, just towards the end of the round, White tried hard to plant the right on the point, but the blow glided over his rival's close cropped nut.
    Round 6. A short spar with the left, and White led for the body. Several uninteresting clinches followed, and the men had to be called to order by the chief official for wrestling and not fighting. Both were blowing a trifle from their exertions, and White, in leading with the left for the body, gave away his head, McCarthy twice digging the right and left under the jaw. Following his advantage McCarthy forced matters, and brushing away several weak shots from White, was going very strongly at the finish.
    Round 7. Twice White led with the left on the body, M'Carthy standing off. Steadying himself M'Carthy rushed in and used both hands freely at close quarters, but had to be called to order for holding and "crocking with the left," by Angle. Continuing to use both hands, McCarthy drove White round the ring, the Englishman, apparently not liking his job. Suddenly M'Carthy crossed him with the right on the jaw, and brought White down very groggily. Rising, White gained a moment breathing space, bu the Australian standing off.This lasted no more than a second or two, and Billy tried hard to complete the affair with a knockout. Time prevented him from doing this, and White was glad to get to his corner.
    Round 8. Coming up freshened, White began briskly, but napped an awkward one from McCarthy's left. The Londoner seemed weak, and his activity was short lived. He put the left feebly on the body, but McCarthy planted the left on the point, and clinch ended a tame and somewhat uneventful round.
    Round 9. White started with his old lead of the left for the body, and this failing to bring a counter, he grew bolder and got a trifle closer. Twice he put the same weapon on the jaw steadying the Austalian. The carmine trickled from his lips, and White looked happier. At the same time no appreciable impression seemed to have been made on the representative of the Southern Cross. Quickly changing the order of things Billy advanced to the attack, and putting the left heavily on the throat, McCarthy upper-cut his opponent with the right, a very awkard blow. This brought the round to an end, time being called.
    Round 10. As usual, White was the first to start proceedings, which he did with the left, on the mouth. McCarthy moved up to him slowly, and tthe pair clinched upon an upper-cut from McCarthy, not very effective. The Australian seemed ready to bide his time, and again and again permitted White to score the left on the face and body, but without much observable effect. On points White had all the best of this round.
    Round 11. There was much slow, heavy, ungraceful boxing at the start of this bout. At each counter the pair held, and had to be ordered apart. White received a heavy blow on the mout, but, banging M'Carthy on the top of the head, caught his opponent off his balance, and sent him reeling, though no damage was done. A very even round.
    Round 12. McCarthy tried his right and missed, but banged his left nicely on the mouth. The pair closed and pushed one another about. McCarthy tring a vicious right on breaking away. Both seemed to prefer hugging to fair stand-up fighting, and though White several times dashed in the left, Billy was not so happy, and found some of his best blows neatly stopped.
    Round 13. Starting quickly, McCarthy scored an effective hook hit on the jaw, which much disconcerted White. He was not long in following up this advantage and though White replied with the left to the body the Australian, forcing his opponent to the ropes near his own corner, drove the right and left on the jaw. This brought White down, and whilst McCarthy retied to his corner ten seconds were slowly ticked out. At the end of that time, White still failing to rise, McCarthy was declared the winner amidst loud cheers
     
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  4. mattdonnellon

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    White sparred Peter Maher in Dublin on one occasion.
     
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