Respected Columnist Dan Rafael: Kessler is a disgrace

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  1. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Rafael may have been too harsh in his statements. However, they should've at least provided team Miranda with a reason.
     
  2. IrnBruMan

    IrnBruMan Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Dan Rafael is a stupid fat **** who gave Tszyu zero chance vs Mitchell in their second fight.

    **** him :yep

    How can a fat **** like Rafale call Kessler a disgrace?

    Maybe if FC Rafael put on the gloves and hopped in the ring and beat Calzaghe, he may have earned a fraction of the right to call Kessler a disgrace.

    Until then, **** him.
     
  3. therealdeal

    therealdeal Active Member Full Member

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    Some of the quotes coming from Kessler's team after this are making me a bit nauseous too

    From fightnews:

    "I would hope Mundine would prefer to try Kessler again rather than having his world title stripped for not complying with WBA rules."

    You mean kind of like agreeing to a contract with both Showtime and Miranda and then reneging on it without a word?

    "He does refer to himself as 'The Man' so I would really hope so."

    Does someone who think of himself as 'The Man' really look for and even agree to much harder fights and then renege on them when a much easier fight comes up?
     
  4. IrnBruMan

    IrnBruMan Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Did Kessler actually sign any contract to fight Miranda?

    PS - 'The Man' is what Mundine calls himself
     
  5. therealdeal

    therealdeal Active Member Full Member

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    As long as we're bagging on Rafael, in his blog today which your blurb was from was something even more disturbing to me

    Dan bought the $20M hook line and sinker. He referred to it in his chats, blogs and rankings. In his rankings he even had a post of something like "Why fight Cotto when you can get $20M for a scripted fight".

    And suddenly we're the gullible fools who believe it?

    What a hypocritical idiot.
     
  6. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    :good
     
  7. therealdeal

    therealdeal Active Member Full Member

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    I'm not 100% sure. but, in Rafael's blog last week he said that Kessler's team sent Miranda's an offer sheet with 16 points laid out which Miranda agreed to. The blog listed out the 16 points.

    I know that is Mundine's nickname. I just think it is hypocritical that Kessler is trying to goad Mundine into a fight by trying to get him to live up to his "The Man" nickname while Kessler has been bagging out on harder opportunities.
     
  8. girv

    girv Gatekeeper Full Member

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    :lol: Exactly right
     
  9. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think the loss to Calzaghe took something vital out of the Dane. Maybe his confidence was damaged beyond repair, because he really seemed to have the goods, and was as formidable as any European fighter, certainly any Northern European that I can think of, only to be outclassed by JC. This is a shame, because without the right inner confidence, he'll never be able to maximize what he has to offer fistically.
     
  10. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    For whatever reason he has for doing this, there's no doubt that he was extremely deep in the negotiations for Showtime to put the fight on their website. Not to mention he also put the screws to Di Bella Entertainment as well.

    Hope the Mundine thing works out for him, because he's gonna have a hell of a time breaking back into the US market.
     
  11. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    You may think it's ****ed up, because the negotiations were dragged out, or broken down. Fact is, that instead of taking the initial crap deal that Warren decided to throw as a bone at Palle, he got an amazing good deal. He secured what the match was worth.

    I do agree it doesn't look very professional with the Miranda thing, but:

    1) It's not first time in history a negotiation breaks down.
    2) The title fight was not in sight, when he started negotiating with Miranda. He got the opportunity, since Green retired, and Mundines mandatory, Braehmer moved up, resulting in Kessler taking his place.
    3) Getting a title, will make it more profitable and more attractive for: Kessler, Taylor, Miranda, Pavlik, if any of these fights would happen later - that is if Kessler gets past Mundine.
     
  12. bigeddie27

    bigeddie27 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    well said. I personally think mundine sucks. I mean he got knocked the **** out by ottke - mr pillow gloves himself. But I am sure people on here will say it was an off night or some other **** - whatever. And I still think edison would have won that night against mikkel.
     
  13. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    Get over yourself. Mundine had no amateur career, and met a world class fighter in his 11th fight - got hit in the temple and went down. He has improved vastly over the years, and have done so still after Kessler and his last bout.
     
  14. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    I get most of your point, and mostly makes sense. But the two I highlighted are big American names. How could fighting Mundine, a guy he already beat (and that first win didn't do anything for his American popularity, doubt this one will either) even with a regular WBA belt (which means he'll get even bigger cut of any purse for being the title holder) help to get a big fight in America against guys that are in the limelight and getting used to big paydays? It will give big names (even if US networks are willing to even work with him after this) the same excuse they all use: Who has he beaten?? How can we make a mega-fight against that guy sell?? Don't see how beating him a 2nd time can change that all too common boxer's/promoter's point of view.

    IMO, a big win over Miranda and these cats would have been lining up to fight him. But like I said, if they have to challenge for his belt, he rightly gets the lions share in any negotiations. Just a different point of veiw.

    I highlighted the two you listed, but that would be the same for all others that have been mentioned, RJJ, Winky, Hops, etc..
     
  15. That was a bull**** move to have the other camp hand you everything you want then PUNKOUT:-( **** if you had the balls to fight Calzaghe but not Miranda:huh what gives???
    Maybe the beating JC gave him stripped Kesseler of his confidence..