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Shane Mosely, Miguel Cotto is seen as a 50/50 fight.

This is Americanisation in action.

Although Cotto is somewhat hyped, American Mosley's reputation from the 90s has been maintained and is out of control.

The fact this is percieved as 50/50 is a joke. Cotto will win, then you will all have to concede I am 100% right about Americanisation.

 

Making it more or less wrong how? Influence has nothing to do with wrong or right.

Besides, your arguing the point in the manner you do breeds more resistance than understanding. I think you know this.

 

Arguing with logic alone doesn't work. People still have Hopkins in their P4P listings. The simple logical argument is "Hopkins clearly isn't one of the ten best fighters in the world today." fails. You and I both know this is a correct argument.

Everyone here has a rigid might apart from me. How often do you see people ever back down in their arguments here? It doesn't matter how you argue your points.

 

You do realize that Cotto hails from PR...which in 1917 because of the Jones-Shfroth Act, all PR citizens are also US citizens? I mean, you were aware of that right?

Esentially, PR is part of the United States. They are allowed to periodically vote to see if they will become the 51st state. Seeing as how right now they are under US soveriegnty (its a Commonwealth).

Your statement was rife with nationalism, uneducated and was false in nature. So I doubt Americanization as you call it exists in this fashion. Nice try tho.

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PLUS, vs lesser skilled fighters, Cotto has shown he can be hurt early. If you think that Mosely cant do it, then your insane.

And I remember (I believe in this very post...but I dont feel like looking for it), you stated that the British press is Americanized as well. SO THEN, where do we look for this non-Americanization as you refrenced?

The South African Evening Times? The Ethiopian Monitor?

CHJ....your hate of anything American is reaching new heights here. Now it can essentially be two American citizens fighting and there is an American bias going on.

You really should stop this blind bull****. Seeing as how the bias you spout TOWARD anything US is far worse than ANY AMERICANIZED BIAS I HAVE EVER SEEN!!!

Its getting ****ing sad.

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I did say Cotto is somewhat hyped. But he still can't compete for love with that full blooded American Mosley. Remember Mosley was a contender for P4P number one once, despite being 50/50 going against elites his whole life. Insane bias.

I have nothing against America itself, I am just wise enough to appreciate the massive, massive bias Americanisation the anti-european American boxing media causes.

When Cotto comfortablely grinds Mosley down (in what will be a competetive fight for most of the it's duration) will you admit you have been duped by the media? The win won't have been indoubt, except in the papers.

 

And you counter by being Euro biased? Neither is productive. They don't counter balance like you say, they just cause extremist arguments, with both stretching the truth to make a point.

 

Europe are fairly rubbish mate, I am fully aware of that. Calzaghe, Kessler, Hatton - not many other elite fighters really.

I am perfectly balanced in my views, free of bias. I just lay past your view points so am percieved as biased.

I do not care for Europe either, but they don't lie about there ability as much as America, so need knocking down far less.

 

You don't really know my view points lol.

You may not be Euro biased, but you are biased against Americans. You're reasoning is often very subjective with little to back it up other than you're word. You often do the same thing in discussion of Calzaghe.

This is not true really. They are just as biased and exaggerate just as much as any American or any other country. They just don't have the influence the States currently has to get their views out there as much.

 

Juan Diaz should be in the P4P..

 

You cannot find one instance of bias against Americans from me in my entire posting history. It is all justified like saying:

"On average Americans are fatter than Europeans." It is not a pro-American statement, but it is not biased and is factual.

 

Not at the time of the ranking he should not be. And it's debatable now in all honesty.

It's not that he is not good enough, it's that the fighters in front of him are very good.

 

Mijares would Lacy him if he were a natural LW. However, that proves he's superior P4P. I heard Mijares gets a unification fight soon, if he impresses and crushes the opponent, who would be a titlist like Montiel or Kirilov, he definitley deserves a top 10 spot, more so than Juan Diaz.

 

Your constant bashing of the American viewpoint even when it mirrors other countries views of their own athletes is a bias. You are making a conscious choice to bash one point of view over another though they are similar in a consistant manner. That is a bias.

 

Amen kg....Amen.