Results Are In: ESB Official Rankings

Was a very good list. I had few qualms with it.

 

Tarver was considered the man. He was indeed the percieved man. But he wasn't any good. There are plenty of fighters in the relatively weak division better than he was at that point in time. And several better than Hopkins.

 

Im only speculating here. Maybe Lampley can touch more in detail, but I am guessing (and a quick scan of the votes validates my assessment) that you get a certain amount of points for each time you are ranked at each position.....

For example...

Floyd gets the top slot and gets 10 points for it.
Cotto gets the tenth spot and gets 1 point for it.

(just using random fighters)

So if Bernard isnt in your top ten.....THEN HE GETS NO POINTS. What if 3, 4 and 5 were separated by 5 points? Then you dont have Hopkins there, but the other guys right below him you DO HAVE at the top. Well, he drops....they rise.

That is why we used a committee and voted.

Again, I dont know EXACTLY how Lampley worked it out...or how it works, but by looking, it seems to have worked.

Spouting off that anti-american **** and complaining about the rankings is an insult to everyone who participated (considering you were SUPPOSED TO!!! And we WAITED FOR YOU TO!!!) and to Lampley himself for the hard work.

Get off that nationalistic bull****. YOU are far more biased than 99% of the American posters on here.

 

Just a couple of questions - Was Tarver not generally regarded as the LHW champ when Hopkins fought him? And was not Wright in the P4P top ten when Hopkins beat him?

We can quibble at the margins - I think it's WAY too premature for Povetkin to be in the HW top ten - but overall, these ratings are pretty solid.

 

I am complaining about one ranking, not teh rest of the list. As I have stated, the rest is extremely solid. Hopkins though? Unbelieveable.

When so many persons had ranked Hopkins so highly it was beyond doubt he would end up top 4, with only mine and Guru's rankings to be given.

 

You are talking about Tarver being perceived the man, but your only argument here is your perception. You just want everyone to agree with your perception over their own.

Who were the "many better fighters" in the division than Tarver at the time he lost to Hopkins.

 

And if it's ONLY one ranking, then it should not have prevented you from filling out your ballot. If that is the reason you didn't.

 

I ranked Hopkins at #10, respectfully put him in there about where he belongs because he did do the job on paper and on paper counts for a bit, plus, the P4P rankings is not sorted out and will be by the end of 2007, where Hopkins will no longer be there.

KG didn't even add Hopkins, that's fine also. 'Lampley', the gentleman who took the time to calculate everything and came up with the idea in general, would have also dropped Hopkins low or out all together. Both KG and Lampley are American fans, so it's not so much a Nationalistic thing.

'Axe', a Canadian, ranked Hopkins high.

Believe me CHJ, I was displeased with Hopkins 'at this point' being rated so highly, I feel lower top 10 or simply not even top 10 was adequate to where he currently stands, but I think overtime that everything will be sorted out, not enough people participated and about 70% of those who did felt that Hopkins needed to be ranked highly in boxing's P4P elite, even with him being low on a H2H basis...

This is democracy, however CHJ, our perspective has been looked out by many knowledge posters on here as well and some agree and that number is growing, so with more members to this ranking system and evolving thought, things will even out to a more realistic stand point.

The rankings are pretty 'standard' in view, but I will say that they are more correct than any other rankings list out there right now, so that's a good note on ESB.

Another thanks to Lampley for putting this all together, I'll be around to contribute in the following months for certain.:good

 

Yes and Hopkins is the man at LHW now, it doesn't make these things so. They are just the americanised media perspective.

There should only be 12 months or so to wait until Hopkins is 'exposed' at least. Unless he somehow manages to find another opponent he can hand pick.

He'd love for Trinidad to miraclously beat Jones for example. Then he could be moved to P4P number two perhaps after beating him again.

 

Well if he fights the winner of that fight, I will drop him further in my LHW rankings.

 

Agreed. If Povetkin beats Byrd, then there should be no question he belongs in the lower ranges of the top ten. Now, imo, it's a bit premature.

Thanks for the pointer toward the commitee vote. Looks like we have some solid "new blood" for next month's ratings! :good