Results Are In: ESB Official Rankings

Yes on both counts. However, Tarver had essentially held the division Hopkins with in circle fighting, ducking Paul Briggs and facing no YOUNG fighters and he honestly just was not that good anyway. On top of it, he was weight drained coming into it. A solid victory, but romanticised far too much.

Wright at 170 was totally ineffective and looked awful, both guys just looked like past it fighters, not the types that defeat young and hungry typed if you know what I mean.

So fair enough, it's on paper, but this is where CHJ is trying to get at and he's pretty much on target... Hopkins won't be defeating any young, talented LHW's, he has to fight guys that he can fight at a lowered workrate and conservative pace to win, that alone means he's not very good H2H.

If this makes much sense...

Well, if Tony Thompson is a top 10...:yep

 

That again...doesnt even make sense.

What would a win over a man he already decimated when the guy was prime matter now that he is FAAAAAAAAR past it?

Ridiculous.

American this....American that.....STFU with that ****.

 

Well he does have a more solid resume.

 

Hell, I'm the only guy who ranked Mijares a top 10 P4P. Hopefully Mijares gets a fight with Montiel or Munoz, the number 2 and 3 respectively in the division, or Donaire, Takefumi, Naito moving up in weight to solidify this...

Castillo will be fighting Arce, sadly, I wanted Mijares to have another coming out party against Castillo.

Any of these bouts should get him into star status, as he's pleasing to watch.

 

WHOA....while I agree that AP is a great talent. He hasnt accomplished half of what Thompson has as a pro. Lets be serious for a second.

 

How is the high regard in which Hopkins is held an "Americanized" media perspective?? I regularly read the British boxing mag, Boxing Monthly, and they seem to rate him quite highly too!

If Hopkins loses, then he'll deserve to be dropped. But right now, it's hard to argue for his exclusion from the top ten - and the ratings reflect this balanced and justified understanding.

 

I am pleasantly surprised to see Calderon on the top 10 P4P rankings.

 

Indeed, I actually think he's pretty solid as a 2nd tier type guy, but I just know that Zakman has picked against him twice and generally can't stand his presence in the division, but that he rated the guy top 10...

Thompson sure does look shitty doing his work, but he's really pretty decent overall, durable.

 

Well, Pov won every round against Donald, Krasniqi AND T. Ibrag are realistically about on the same level.

A shot Byrd is about on that level also, we already know Povetkin wins...

 

Yes, I included him, he deserves it.

 

I had begin my ranking on Wdnesday afternoon, but when using the other lists to assist me I noticed the apocalyptical Hopkins disaster. That is when I lost all hope.

I edited a particular post (the one branding Amsterdam an Americanised *******). It did say at one point say "I'm pulling out" and possible "I should have anticipated my irrational response to the Hopkins situation" but the manner in which I communicated this was inappropiate. Thus the post was edited.

 

Listen, I agree that AP is gonna be a great fighter. But lets not rush the kid. He aint in the top ten yet....because he hasnt earned it yet. Nothing else really to it.

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read it wrong...my bad

 

It's true I picked against Thompson, and don't think he's really much more talented than, say, Ray Austin - but results are results, and he was included in my top ten - at #7, I might add!

Povetkin, imo, has not fought anyone to justify a top ten ranking. If he beats Byrd - which I think he will - then it's a different matter. Which is exactly why I desribed it as "premature." Next month, I think, it will be entirely justifed.

 

His chin's better than Austin, which GREATLY helps on this level Zak...:yep