Resume is a none vital element when assembling a respectable P4P list...

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  1. Weber

    Weber Active Member Full Member

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    I assume that you consider Roy Jones the GOAT then.
     
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  2. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not the greatest, nor is Calzaghe.

    Roy or Calzaghe are the all time P4P number one.
    Robinson is the GOAT, but not the best.
     
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  3. Weber

    Weber Active Member Full Member

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    Fair enough. Roy is head and shoulders above Joe though.
     
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  4. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    Yeah the guy with all the powers and abilities just like in the movie . . . he is a super hero . . . an immortal one . . . that's why he can't be a P4P . . . P4P is just for the "mortal fighters" . . . :deal

    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
     
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  5. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Psychopath is the only person whom has managed to mention the word resume in a structured argument against my point of view, so will be the only one I bother debating with. I thank him for posting in a dignified manner in my thread about Superman.


    As you said we use resume to judge a fighter, which is correct indeed. However it is not the names themselves that should be the deciding factor. Some people here are more impressed by a close SD over JMM than an education in boxing against Jeff Lacy, just because of the name. Whereas the quality of boxing on display (bearing the quality of the opponent in mind of course) should be the vital element when assembling a P4P list.

    Also, if you go on resume and fighter happens to win by robbery he will get ranked highly anyway. I believe Pacman was outboxed by JMM, but won the fight. The fact remains he was out_boxed slightly, but all the resume-monkeys rank him P4P number one anyway because they are insane and have been brainwashed by the media.
     
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  6. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Resume is only a factor in my P4P consideration if it's relevant, i.e. Manny Pacquiao. On paper he looks pretty decent, but his results are astounding. He's basically all resume, because in theory someone who has his set of tools couldn't beat the guys he beat.

    Overall resume is a joke to me when considering P4P, however. It's about who they can beat, not who they did beat. P4P is theoritics itself, not a science. It's meant to match all the guys across the weight divisions. Stylistics are more important than the opposition somebody has already defeated in their own division. P4P they wouldn't be fighting those guys.
     
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  7. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Your only as good as your opponent makes you look. Calzaghe looked stylistically immense against Lacy, and appalling against Hopkins. Opponents make you look good, therefore, resume means an awful lot. It is the only nailed down way we can tell how a boxer would react to different styles. Otherwise its all pure narration, and a figment of a fanboys imagination.
     
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  8. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Calzaghe was far better when he faced Lacy.

    Against Hopkins he was clearly shot, and there is no way he is even top 5 P4P anymore. Hopkin's style doesn't make you fight as bad as Calzaghe did. Everything was off, he needs to get back down to 168.
     
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  9. RealIzm

    RealIzm Boxing Junkie banned

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    Well I've beaten 23 cabdrivers and 20 were KOs, so why can't I find myself on the P4P rankings?????
     
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  10. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because you didn't even display the speed, power, footwork and skill of superman as you did so.

    Certainly not the power of Joe Calzaghe.
     
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  11. RealIzm

    RealIzm Boxing Junkie banned

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    Well I did display all of those things but my opponents were bums. Aside from being a great athlete I'm an intelligent boxer that doesnt like to leave things up to the judges......
    What does this thread have to do with Joe Cal????
    You actually had a good thread going China, why ruin it by showing bias and ignorance??????? We know you CAN be smart:yep
     
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  12. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Did you genuinely punch with the same velocity,power and technique as Roy Jones Junior?

    Joe Calzaghe's mention in this thread was just as a completely random example.

    As someone has already brought up Calzaghe Hopkins, I have kept my percieved bias under-wraps somewhat here.
    I haven't mentioned that with my correct scoring system Joe Calzaghe won every round against Hopkins except the first which was 9-9 if you want to score that push as a knockdown in round one, but I guess we cannot override Cortez's error.
     
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  13. RealIzm

    RealIzm Boxing Junkie banned

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    Please stick to the thread topic, you're really onto something here, lets not let bias get in the way...
    Think of me as a 135lb Kelly Pavlik, only less predictable and with more polish:yep
     
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  14. puga_ni_nana

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    pacman was not ranked p4p#1 when he edged jmm on a SD. he was ranked #1 after floyd retired and cemented it when he demolished the bigger david diaz moving up in weight in a performance fit for a top p4p fighter.
     
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  15. bad4benny

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    of course resume is important thats what p4p is based on you fool ,ok look at tavoris cloud looks like a great prospect great power skills and stamina he aint p4p no1 and wont be till he defeats a few other p4pers you still dont know what p4p means oh and superman is from a differnet planet so therefore an alien so wouldnt be allowed to compete in pro fighting and joe aint no superman
     
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