Resume is more important than "skills" or "H2H ability". And it's not remotely close.

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  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Boxing is 95 percent resume. Why? Because everybody looks like the 2nd coming of SRR until they fight someone good enough who makes them not look like SRR. Fight the best and sooner or later you will take a loss or win a disputed decision.
     
  2. pincai

    pincai The Indonesian Thin Man Full Member

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    Resume is more important when we evaluate the greatness of a fighter where the whole body of work is considered. So in all time ranking IMO resume has to take number one spot.
    As for current standing of active fighters, it will be the combination of h2h, eye ball test and who has he beat.
    For example pac and Mayweather has great resume, on all time ranking they will be very high but they might not beat Thurman or spence at the moment.
    Lomachenko only has 10 fights but his skill is for all to see, its unfair to him and the old timers to be talk in the same sentence but on current scene he can be rated near the very top.
    GGG has 30 odds fights, his resume is thin with quality names but he has all the qualities of a fighter that is tough to beat, such as fundamental, chin and hard punch.
     
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  3. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Everybody looks great using the eyeball test until they fight and elite fighter.
     
  4. pincai

    pincai The Indonesian Thin Man Full Member

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    That's true but resume at times doesn't really tell you at what level the fighter is currently operating.
     
  5. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Agreed. David Benavidez looks the good but we have to wait til he cleans out SMW before we can give him his dues. Glad we cleared that up Op.
     
  6. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Skills build resumes.
     
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  7. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    All of them are important. Resumes don't always tell the whole story.
     
  8. khaosai galaxi

    khaosai galaxi Superbad Full Member

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    Not disagree with your take, you are right of course but are you talking about specific fighter or situation?
     
  9. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon.

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    Danny Garcia's resume is deceptively good, partly since he was on the receiving end of gift decisions. Pernell Whitaker's resume is understated because he was on the losing end of several notable robberies. Salido's resume is mountains and valleys with some unusually good scalps he wasn't supposed to win inside an otherwise pedestrian career, indicating he was either an overachiever or underachiever. Carl Froch like Rocky Marciano before him looked like total ****, trailing on every card, before muscling up and bludgeoning his more skilled opponents into unconsciousness. Mike McTigue and Freddie Mills were two of the most uncoordinated cavemen ever to hold the undisputed light heavyweight strap but they held it nevertheless while guys like Sam Langford and Charley Burley never even fought for a title. A resume is about more than Ws and Ls, especially in an era when there are guys like Mayweather, Calzaghe, or Sven Ottke who can skillfully maneuver through divisions cherry picking opponents to maintain an unbeaten record.
     
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  10. Gil Gonzalez

    Gil Gonzalez Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Spence-Brook refutes your whole thesis.

    Only boxing novices rely on resumes to predict the outcome of a fight. You have to look at the boxers themselves.
     
  11. UkGuy

    UkGuy New Member Full Member

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    It depends whether you are looking at how great a fighter was (resume is indeed the most important thing), or trying to predict future fights (where recent form and eye test are just as important).
     
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  12. JeremyCorbyn

    JeremyCorbyn Active Member Full Member

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    Resume is clearly the most important thing... by far! (when assessing a guy whose career is over)

    If you fight 69 times, and win 64 times, but those 64 wins are against pub fighters, well that should raise a red flag with any knowledgeable fan or expert.
     
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  13. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Resume is everything. It also includes the actual fight and everything about the opponent, not just a few letters and a number next to a name. Anyone trying to talk resume importance down bringing up that it's important to know where the opponent was at or how the fight played out... obviously, yes. That is the resume.
     
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  14. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    I think he took into consideration the circumstances of resume when he said resumes are most important.
     
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  15. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    "Resume" = what has actually happened in-ring... we all view things differently but a reasonable boxing conversation usually begins and ends with talking points based around in-ring occurrences

    "Skills" = personal opinion of in-ring qualities

    "H2H ability" = personal opinion of how they stack up relative to select competition
     
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