Review of top 15 Heavyweights.

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  1. Kell Macabe

    Kell Macabe I don’t know s*** about boxing Full Member

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    I would like your critics of my current top 15 HW list.

    who would move up or down and who would you add?



    The List


    1.Muhammad Ali
    2.Joe Louis
    3.Rocky Marciano
    4.Lennox Lewis
    5.Jack Dempsey
    6.Joe Frazier
    7.George Foreman
    8.Jack Johnson
    9.Evander Holyfield
    10.Larry Holmes
    11.Mike Tyson
    12.Sonny Liston
    13.Wladimir Klitschko
    14.Gene Tunney
    15.John L Sullivan
     
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  2. mr. magoo

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    I like it. I may disagree with some placements but all top lists are different. It’s a reasonably good list
     
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  3. Kell Macabe

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    Thanks for the feedback
     
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  4. Omega74

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    I would definitely put Tunney outside the top 15. I would move Marciano, Dempsey and Johnson a bit lower, Holmes 3-4 places higher and if you really want one of the pre 1910 old timers on that list, I would switch Sullivan with James J Jeffries. Nonetheless, this is still a very good top 15!
     
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  5. Kell Macabe

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    Jeffries was interchangeable with Sullivan but I opted for John because of his impact.
     
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  6. Saintpat

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    Larry Homes IMO is top three.
     
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  7. 88Chris05

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    Marciano and Dempsey too high, Holmes definitely too low for me. Can't see how Frazier can be above Foreman, either.

    Other than that, nothing I'd argue too strenuously over. Right kind of names are there, and in brackets I'd probably place them.
     
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  8. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Agreed. Holmes is too low.

    Dempsey too high.
     
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  9. Kell Macabe

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    IMO Frazier was overall a greater fighter than foreman. Foreman just had the perfect style against a declining Frazier but those two are pretty much tied.

    As for Holmes he reigned over a mediocre era but his H2H skills are top 5 so I averaged him out at 10.

    Marciano is so high because he beat many ATG heavyweight while he was at best a Cruiserweight. Even though all of his best competition we’re past their prime they were still forced too be reckoned with i.e. Louis,Walcott,Charles,Moore
     
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  10. Balder

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    Solid List - But as others mentioned Jeffries needs to bump Johnson and be much farther up, he was better than Johnson . Wlad should be higher. Vitali should make the list at the expense of Sullivan.

    Joe Louis is rated to high.


    So bump Johnson and Sullivan - Add Jeffries and VK. Lower Louis and Frazier.

    IMO
     
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  11. catchwtboxing

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    Your first four are mine, although Lewis and Marciano are interchangeable for me, tied for #3.

    Dempsey way too high.

    Frazier, Foreman, Holy and Johnson I have no problem with.

    I like Holmes at ten.
     
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  12. Kosst Amojan

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    Joe Frazier and Wladimir Klitschko should be out, arguable Liston and Holyfield too.Bowe could be in it. Lewis and Dempsey are a bit high too. Foreman and Tyson are fine placed.
     
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  13. 70sFan865

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    The only thing I strongly disagree with is having Tunney inside top 15. He just doesn't have the resume to be ranked that high. Jeffries, Schmeling and Charles should be all ahead of him.

    I'd change the order of top 10 as well, but it's not as important.
     
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  14. mattdonnellon

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    Eveybodys list is different, for me Holmes top 3 at least.
     
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  15. janitor

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    Wlad should be a bit higher, and Tunney a bit lower.

    I have no problem with Sullivan over Jeffries, but Jeffries is a bit more of a known quantity.

    Once you get past the top two, much depends upon your criteria.
     
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