review of Tyson holyfield 1 and why tyson would have won in 1991(imo)

The complete lack of reaction on Tyson's part, Holyfield getting no extention, his glove continuing at a swiping angle with no interruption. If it touched behind his ear it was grazing at best. The punch was completely smothered and was of no consequence.

 

Tyson is bringing his head in a downward arc at point of impact.
That, for me, explains the lack of visible movement.
I may be mistaken, but in a poll i would definately vote headshot.

 

It doesn't move Tysons' head because there was no point of impact. It's a grazing punch with no extension.

This is a clear head shot. And you don't need slow motion.

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Tyson has a hell of a neck and you can see movement if you look carefully.

Yes he did.

 

I'm more interested in how Tyson reacted to the punches that clearly land and snapped his head, than the ones that may or may not have grazed his ear and shoulder area.

You describe this as opening up? A single left hook after some arm entanglement and some pawing after a spin move.

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He opened up whilst Tyson was against the ropes after being stunned by that right hand, Bobby Czyz noticed it but you obviously didn't, no biggie.

 

By stunned you mean stepping out of punching range when Evander spins behind him.

And this what you describe as opening up on a stunned opponent?

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I already transcribed the commentary. The actual quotes, not you saying they said something without the quotes.

 

Funny how you miss out the action where Holyfield lands on him against the ropes, you can see how Tyson freezes when he's not by the shot and spins slowly and unsurely. If you can't see the effect it has on him then what can I do about it?

 

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At the 18 minute mark you can see the punch and the effect it has on Tyson as clear as day.

 

How much are you going to credit this right hand for? On a long enough time line you can credit that grazing right hand in the second for the TKO.

The point is Evander didn't open up, he was cautious because Mike is clearly aware with a high guard and throwing back.

He does in fact open up in a clip I've posted a 100 damn times, and that's when Tyson bobs off the ropes at him. Tyson gets clearly hit and stunned there.

So basically...your argument is Tyson and Holyfield come together after the right hand graze. After some arm entanglement, Holyfield tries a left hook that Tyson is able to duck. Then....once Evander shuffles behind him, Tyson suddenly feels the delayed effects of the right hand graze....which is manifested by keeping his eyes on his shuffling opponent and spinning around in his guard before Evander can ambush him.

Of course Tyson looked a little unsure, Evander used a missed punch to shuffle behind him. But you are too fixated on a grazing punch and viewing everything in that context to see Evander did a great move on an aware opponent.

And Evander opens up....by cautiously probing with his left hand and keeping a distance, not throwing anything and waiting to react to Tyson.

This sequence is all about Evander's ring generalship. He may have missed that short right and left hook, but he got Tyson cornered. He may not have jumped on Tyson while he was cornered, but he forced Tyson into a position where he had to make a move, and once he does, Evander takes advantage and rocks Tyson with a beautiful short left hook.

And Tyson deserves credit here too, Evander is always a step ahead, but he doesn't let Evander land any follow up punches and does enough to keep Holyfield honest. And grabbing Evander's arm was a smart move to get himself out of the corner.

 

You do know this combo you keep showing with Tyson on the ropes all started from him being stunned by that right hand, put it to a poll then and we will see what people think.

 

This is what started it. Evander's ring generalship and foot work, forcing Tyson's back to the ropes.

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And this is what hurt Tyson, a beautiful double left hook. Tyson ducked the first but wasn't expecting the second.

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It's absurd to credit a grazing punch that produced no visual effects for all this.

 

the ironic thing is that punch Holyfield landed on Tyson on the ropes which snapped his head back didn't seem to hurt him as much as the one that froze him before he was turned. he reacted straight away because he wasn't hurt as bad I think. it was an odd punch, sometimes fighters have that spot. I cant see how else you can account for him kind of doing nothing for a moment, In that clip you posted it looks like the punch connected to me as well.

I think a poll is a good idea

 

When did Tyson allegedly freeze? When he DUCKED a left hook?

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bingo. yes I think that was his reaction to the short right hand. He looked stunned for a moment to me, look at his legs as well, then a moment later he gathered himself. He ducked the hook but that doesn't mean the punch didn't effect him. I guess you could see it another way but I was as clear to me at the time as it is now.

if you do a poll you should add the right hand to that clip though as people will just say the left didn't land,