review of Tyson holyfield 1 and why tyson would have won in 1991(imo)

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  1. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Holyfield was tagged hard by the very first punch of their fight yet regrouped and came back strong. Holyfield rolling with the punches is part of the game I'm afraid, that's what makes him great. I'm not saying Mike has zero chance at all, I just feel Holyfield had his number.
     
  2. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think the momentum changed at all. I just feel in the 6th round Tyson's hope of winning vanished. After the clash of heads the whole fight drained out of him.
     
  3. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ive seen your posts in other threads and you dont seem to be a particularily big fan of tyson and thats ok but im glad our discussion did not get nasty like it has in your back and forths with Azzer85.
    I acknowledge your stance and your opinion on this topic because it is not baseless, but i think i made a decent and fact based case for the other side as well so
    We can agree to disagree
     
  4. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Believe it or not I'm a massive Tyson fan. What I can't stand is ignorant fanboys who believe every excuse out there for Tyson's demise. It's as though none of it is Tyson's fault and everybody else is to blame. It's actually nice to chat with a level headed fan for a change.
     
  5. Foxy 01

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    With all due respect ( and admiration for your tenacity regarding your article ) you have it ass about face. Tyson would NEVER be able to handle what Holyfield brought into the ring. Holyfield didn't go into a ring to exchange pleasantries, or posture, and pose. He went in to win fights, no matter how gruelling, or what was required to win them.

    Tyson's bully mentality, coupled with his own fragility in the brain department, guarantees Holy the win at any and every time they fight.
     
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  6. Wass1985

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    Just out of curiosity OP, who do you think was going to win the rematch had Tyson not found a way out?

    There was no excuses of being under prepared or not being with a good trainer. IMO the fight was panning out the same way as the first and Tyson knew this. I just wish Tyson hadn't had quit then there would have been no doubt at all, losing twice badly to Holyfield without any controversy would have been the end of Mikes career.
     
  7. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lets say he doesnt get disqualified, then he continues viciously attacking holyfield in rounds 4,5 and 6. Holy as an experiened fighter would cover up and ride out the storm although probably taking alot of punishment along the way. Although tyson was in phenominal condition for the rematch, he was fighting with so much anger and adrenaline he wouldnt have been able to keep up what he was dishing out in the third, he woyld eventually gas out and then evander would grind him down, stopping him in the 8th or 9th. But it would have been exciting as hell. I give mike a 25% chance of stopping evander with his vicious attack that he started in the 3rd but 75% chance evander survives and then brutally beats him down. But tyson really did look phenominal in that 3rd. Bad intentions on his punches, the right hook body-left hook htp the ead-bite and duck under holyfields hook was vintage. Then he threw an uppercut to the body and ducked under evanders counter again! But he wouldnt have been able to keep it up i believe
    It wouldnt have been the end of his career i believe. He wouldve kept fighting lower ranked contenders and bums, maybe even winning a title if he somehow got the moorer fight before evander, he couldve still beat golota and ruiz and botha but yes he would have definitely lost alot of credibility if he had suffered two back to back Tko losses. I still think he wouldve gotten another title shot
     
  8. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The thing is mike was scared of holyfield the second time, thats why he was so tentative in the first two rounds, he could have never won the rematch if he wasnt in the right state of mind.
     
  9. mr. magoo

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    A 1988 Tyson would have been a very formidable opponent for Evander and might even have beaten any version of the real deal. Not sure I agree about him winning in 1991. While Tyson was still definitely one of the very best in the division and still galvenized, Holy was peaking, in top form, and would have given his life to win that match.
     
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  10. Wass1985

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    That's the thing, I don't see anything special about the 3rd round. True Tyson went for it but not once was Holyfield hurt or in any kind of trouble. In fact Holyfield was ending the exchanges the boss just like their first bout. I can't see any result other than another Holyfield stoppage I'm afraid.
     
  11. UFC2015

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    The only version of Tyson that has any chance against any version of holyfield is the 1985-88 one under Kevin Rooney and he needs to do everything from throwing combinations, body shots, head movement, dancing around with footwork. Anything less guaranteed defeat.

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  12. mr. magoo

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    Agreed. Evander was the one viewed as washed up in 1996.. Not Tyson.. And I was one of many people who feared for his health back then.
     
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  13. Wass1985

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    What surprised you the most about the bout? Watching it live the thing that stood out for me was how Holyfield appeared the harder puncher of the pair. His shots had a big thud to them and I wad surprised how Tyson couldn't hurt Holyfield at all.
     
  14. mr. magoo

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    For me too.. And that Holyfield appeared much stronger in the clinches. He was throwing Tyson around at will. For most of the match he was in complete control and I for one was shocked at his form.
     
  15. Wass1985

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    What's your thoughts on the second bout had Tyson not lost it? I can't see any other result than Holyfield stopping Mike again.