revisionist myths series 1: mike mccallum fab 4

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  1. Jamal Perkins

    Jamal Perkins Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Mike Mccallum was avoided like the plague by the fab 4...Leonard,hearns,duran and hagler.


    ...thats certainly the myth the bitter mccallum has liked to spread....and the internet is full of revisionist stories and videos about this non story at the time...the truth is mccallum himself blew it at key moments....he was very very good but a shade below the fab 4...no shame in that....this sub grade fab four group had Mccallum ,sumbu kalambay, herol graham and Marlon Starling as its founder members....all of them lost a bout or bouts at key vital stages which meant they didnt get to meet the fab 4............mccallum was avoided by duran and hearns in 1983/84 because he was relatively unknown and they had better known guys to fight who were perceived to be better..same goes for hagler avoiding graham for mugabi...i mean cmon duran fought moore and hearns and hagler they were harder competition for the time he fought them...hearns fought hagler and duran in 84/85 instead of mccallum gee he was so terrified of mike.....hagler fought hearns and mugabi...bottom line their "avoiding" mccallum gave Mike himself an easy path to the 154 lbs world title...he got his superfight with curry and he beat mcrory and julian jackson in world title fights that paid ok....the truth is mike wouldve got his fab 4 fight...if he hadnt blown it losing to sumbu kalambay in march 1988...hearns wouldve fought him in 88 instead of barkley.....duran wouldve begged to fight mccallum rather than hearns or nunn to get his 4th title....hagler had retired cos he was controversial beaten by srl so no mike he didnt avoid u he was retired...as for srl.....he was retired 1982-late 88 save the hagler fight and 1 tuneup in a diff weight class in 84..when exactly was srl to have fought mccallum...in 88-91 when ray still competed the stigma of the kalambay defeat was still on mike.....both ray snd hearns stepped up in 91 to fight these emerging young stars virgil hill and terry norris...mccallum is an atg and he got to fight curry,mcrory,toney 3 times,roy jones jnr he got the chance win 3 world titles.....his bitterness towards hagler and srl is pretty mad...and like i say if he hadnt ****ed up in 1988 v kalambay he wouldve definetly got duran or hearns probably both.
     
  2. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Bump. This myth does not seem to go away, despite being disproven.
     
  3. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    None of us can say for sure but it is logical that the fab four would fight each over Mike because there was simply more money to be made fighting each other. I think we can all say with confidence that no one viewed him as an easy fight and he never did have the sizzle of the fab four guys as for as generating revenue.

    I do agree that losing to Kalambay cost him a payday but to me Kalambay was another guy that no one was lining up to fight do to the risk vs reward. Both guys deserved to make more money than they did and are bitter because of it.

    Bottom line we will never know for certain how McCallum would have done against the fab four but I personally rate him very highly and he is undoubtedly one of my favorites to watch and was a HUGE influence on me when I was competing.
     
  4. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Is this myth still being perpetuated, though?

    Hagler and Leonard certainly can't be accused of ducking Mike. Duran did have Mike as his mandatory, but vacated to face Hearns instead. Personally I don't see this as a duck. He just took the fight everyone wanted to see, and Hearns was perceived as a much more dangerous opponent at the time. And that Hearns never tried to unify isn't really a duck either I'd say.
     
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  5. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Could you imagine what people would have said about Duran had he fought McCallum instead of Hearns? For 1/6th of the $. Duran probably didnt know who he was.
    Hearns knew the most about McCallum from the Kronk. They spared each other. He knew Mike was good but Hearns didnt duck him.
     
  6. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't know what Hearns motivations was, but he kept defending his JMW title and going up to challenge Hagler, so there's not much to critisize there. Don't know if a unification at 154 was something the orgs even wanted and don't think it was in much demand since the other belt holders were unknown at the time.

    I have some recollection of Steward hinting at McCallum being too much risk to be worth the trouble, though, but that's just a vague recollection.
     
  7. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    McCallum only has a case with Ray Leonard. Ray ducked everyone for a few years in the heart of his prime..
    He was just another belt holder in '84. Conqueror of Sean Manion. Those guys weren't worried about him. They all would have had a good shot at beating him.
     
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  8. CharlesBurley

    CharlesBurley Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    I mean McCallum obviously wanted fights with Duran, Hagler, Hearns and Leonard at the time. They all fought lesser guys outside the Fab 4. He was too much risk for too little reward

    Why didn't Hearns try to make a unification fight with McCallum after the Hagler loss? Why not make it later when both are clearly the best from 154-160?

    Why does Duran A) Not face McCallum as his mandatory and how long was McCAllum mandatory for? B) Not try to get a title shot after losing to McCallum.

    Why does Leonard not defend his MW title against the best contenders, see McCallum?

    The Hagler thing is a tad different, as he wasn't in the division at the time and Mugabi was ranked number. However you are allowed to defend your titles more than once a year and McCallum is certainly a better fight than a Hamsho rematch.

    The managers simply realised, there was too much risk for too little reward.
     
  9. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He doesn't have a case for Leonard. They were never in the same division.
     
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  10. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Leonard made clear from the off that he'd retire after the Hagler fight, win or lose. And so he did. He did return, of course, but never to MW.
     
  11. CharlesBurley

    CharlesBurley Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Fair play but annoying to both fans and fellow contenders of the day.

    Wasn't there also 'Marvin can have a rematch if he admits he lost' thing too?
     
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  12. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    I think Mike McCallum is the reason it doesn't because he keeps going on about it even though it is transparently bollocks.
     
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  13. Charlietf

    Charlietf Well-Known Member Full Member

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    And it is called "avoiding"
     
  14. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's just baseless sour grapes on McCallum's part. He wasn't in the mix of the Fab Four in terms of timeline yet he acts as if he was screaming from the sidelines at them the whole time.

    Next we'll hear Robinson and Lamotta ducked him because after all they were alive when Mike was an active fighter.

    Poor Mike just can't catch a break, can he? World's out to get him!
     
  15. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I happen to agree 100% with this post. Nicely put
     
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