Revisiting Kevin Kelly v Naseem Hamed

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by BoxingFanPhil, Mar 31, 2013.


  1. BoxingFanPhil

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    I don't think I ever said he was 'badly hurt' - but I think he was hurt. Even Kelly's jab looking to be jolting Hamed for me. Perhaps some of this was that Naz really wasn't used to getting tagged repeatedly - but I have to give it to Hamed, he kept going through it and he bounced back up the only time he was properly put down (the other two 'knock downs' being issues with his balance and gloves touching down when he was carrying his hands low).

    Also, Hamed's awkward sense of balance - as others have said - made some shots look like something. I definitely acknowledge that as a good call.

    Maybe it was just the sense of alarm that I picked up on - Naz was not used to being hit and Kelly was getting through with alarming frequency (possibly as a consequence of his considerable reach advantage)?

    I'm not trying to put across that Hamed was shaken to his boots or anything - but on one level or another, he was (at least) alarmed.
     
  2. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    To me, Naseem never looked hurt, his balance was terrible & Kelley timed him perfectly. Kelley was certainly hurt in at least one of the 3 knock downs he suffered, that simply was the difference on the night.

    As far as Naz being the best Kelley ever boxed, he probably was up until that point, that would later change when Kelley faced the two best under 130 lb fighters of the last 15 years, Morales and Barrera (no disrespect to JMM & pac at those weights.)
     
  3. BoxingFanPhil

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    He may well have been - but the issue in the post fight run down was that Hamed told Kelly he (Kelly) was the best he'd ever boxed, and then told Kevin Kelly that he (Hamed) was the best Kelly had ever boxed. Kelly didn't acknowledge this - he just asked to 'do it again'. Hamed later claimed that Kelly had told him that he was the best that Kelly had fought - but this doesn't seem to be supported by the audio from the verbal exchange that took place on camera.

    Naz might be right - but I'm not sure Kelly thought so at that time, or at least, he was in no mood to admit it! from the post fight interview Kelly blamed himself for the defeat, rather than attributing to Naz (who he actually described as being neither as good nor as powerful as people thought he was). Maybe sour grapes from Kevin Kelly.
     
  4. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Yes, I actually remember Naz saying this to Kelley after the fight, Kelley never said it himself, your right.

    It might have been some sour grapes from Kelley, I could understand him saying Naz wasn`t as good as people thought, especially after the success he had in the fight vs Naz, but it makes no sense to say he`s not as powerful a puncher as people thought, he`d just took a 10 count ffs haha.
     
  5. jack365

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    Fair enough about the "badly hurt" comment earlier. Its all a matter of degreee, and no(legitimate) boxer goes down without being hurt to some extent. I simply think Kellys knockdowns took much more out of him than Hamed's.

    As far as what Hamed(or Kelly) said after the fight I'd take it all with a huge pinch of salt. If there is one certainty in the world of boxing it is that boxers talk complete and utter bull****. When a fighters manhood/talent is challenged allsorts of excuses come to the fore. For all the respect I have of boxers in the ring I have virtually no respect for them when they have a microphone or a journalists notepad shoved in there face.
     
  6. PowerPuncher

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    Watch it again, Hamed walks to Kelly and constantly looks to draw an exchange. Despite the KDs at no point is Hamed seriously hurt, the only point he was somewhat buzzed was after been clocked straight after getting up at the count of 2, which is technically a rule infraction.

    Hamed beats Kelly 10 out of 10 for me

    Saying he avoided a Kelly rematch, someone he destroyed, when he went in against Vasquez (WBA/Lineal champ) Soto (WBC champ), McColough (rightful 2 weight champ on most peoples cards), Bungu (7year 122lb champ), Barrera in his next fights is a bit off. Kelly lost a decision to Gainer the next year.

    He did bring record money to the FW division yes I'd say so.

    Yea I'd say so, Sanchez did beat Mayweather in the AMs
     
  7. BoxingFanPhil

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    On what level did Hamed 'destroy' Kelly?

    Did he knock him unconscious? Nope. Did he end his career? Nope. Kelly only just missed the count. By any reasonable regard Kelly was ahead on the cards, he'd had Hamed in trouble with decent shots, he'd put Hamed under pressure he'd never received previously. Ever commentator described it as a turnaround. There's no way I'd use the term 'destroyed' for the win that Hamed took from Kelly - and I'd be surprised if Hamed would either.

    With absolutely nothing to gain from fighting Kelly again, and every reason to believe that Kelly could cause him the problems he did in their fight - I can see why Hamed wouldn't want to rematch Kelly. That's all I'm saying.

    Mind you - if all the 'Hamed wasn't properly prepared' naysayers were right - Hamed wasn't bright enough to reflect on the problem because apparently it was the same story against Barrera and anyone else who caused him the most remote degree of trouble.

    As for ten out of ten matches would go to Hamed against Kelly - I'm not convinced. It's easy enough to say, but I think the results of a series would mixed. Hamed had pretty much one game plan, and once that got stumped he didn't show anything new. As time went by he was increasingly guilty of loading up for one big shot. I think Kelly would have the measure of that - he had much better fundamentals, even if he didn't have more out and out power.
     
  8. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I've always thought he was legitimately floored and stunned (not a balance shot or anything like they mostly were) against Daniel Alicea of all people.

    Hamed was tagged by a solid right hand that wrenched his head around and then was sat on his arse by another right hand. Naz looked glassy eyed when he got up and was on his bike for the rest of the round.

    He recovered quickly and destroyed Alicea in the very next round but I reckon more than a few hearts were in mouths in Hamed's camp for a moment.
     
  9. BoxingFanPhil

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    I don't think you're wrong about the Alicea fight, because the actual shot that put Naz down wasn't much, but the shot immediately before affected his legs. This being said, the way Naseem put Alicea away in the second round was awesome. The combination for the knock out was explosive.