Revisiting: Paul Williams vs. Antonio Margorito

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Keihule, Jan 2, 2008.


  1. Keihule

    Keihule Active Member Full Member

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    I watched this again yesterday for the first time in a while. When I watched this live, I like many others figured it to be a lopsided UD for williams. But after watching it yesterday, I feel this fight was closer than people have been making it out to be. I scored it 7 rounds to five for Williams. Also, in the middle rounds of this fight, Williams looked to be hurt numerous times by Margo's body shots, did anyone else see this?

    I watched this along with the Williams -Mathysse and williams -mitchell fights to re-examine the recent affairs of Paul Williams and see how he would fair potentially against some of the top welters in a battle. I doubted Williams's chin for a while but after watching these fights he took some shots like a champ and I feel he is probably the most dangerous threat at 147, especially for PBF.

    Floyd Mayweather will do best to avoid Williams like the plague, even though that would be an incredible matchup fight fans would love to see including myself.
     
  2. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    what you dont understnd is floyd doesnt even consider him ... i know i wouldnt if i was floyd..

    at this point floyd about getting money...

    pw isnt even a top 3 option for floyd.. id see him considering

    oscar-cotto-paq-hatton (again)-**** maybe even pavlik

    before he seriously considers williams
     
  3. TheGrimReaper

    TheGrimReaper Well-Known Member Full Member

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    if MM fights again the only fight that makes sense is cotto
     
  4. Keihule

    Keihule Active Member Full Member

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    Yeah man, I understand that, i was just talking theoreticly if he was going to fight in the WW division.
     
  5. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    i mean.. he might fight again... i think so... but paul williams is out of the question... unless he drops quintana by ko convincingly.... then in a quick turn around pw gets a fight with mosley or zab or another big name boxer... these 2 fights will have to happen before cotto completes 2 fights... that way the hype for the both of them will be equal and floyd will be forced to pick from the 2
     
  6. KayEpps

    KayEpps Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Once you make it to a level where you can hand-pick your opponents - you don't usually go after the harder fight. Unless the harder fights bring the most money.

    PW will have to start kicking the asses of some of the bigger names in the division to get the fights he wants.

    Take Cotto for instant - this year he's fought two big household names in Judah and Mosley. Another fight and win with another household name and he'll be right for Mayweather.
     
  7. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    LOL...you were definitly part of the minority b/c there were very few picking Paul to beat Marg. I knew Paul would beat Antonio but I thought it would have been a closer contest. I didn't see the fight 7-5 for Williams. I do agree that Paul is the most dangerous fighter at 147 due to many things....Pressure and physical demenisions stand out right away though.
     
  8. Lampley

    Lampley Boxing Junkie banned

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    I scored the bout 8-4 for Williams but have no problem with 7-5. I don't think you can find six for Antonio, though, unless you are looking to give him rounds.

    I've also posted on several occasions that I believe Williams would defeat Mayweather, but unfortunately it's highly unlikely we'll ever know.
     
  9. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Cotto has also been a pro longer than Paul and has more fights, hence more experience. Plus Paul isn't the most popular fighter that the big names want to get it on with. They avoid him as much as they did Antonio and for good reason. Paul will have to fight his way to get a big name in there with him as Winky had too and Marg is still trying to do. After the fight with Marg there are even LESS opponents wanting to test their hands with Paul.
     
  10. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree with the original post. The fight was not even close to being the one sided affair that most make it out to be. Even on the official judges cards williams only won by one round. The fight was anybodies going into the final round and Paul was able to come out with it. I think that the decision was fair on a rd by rd scoring system but if we were scoring the fight was a whole I think Margo definatly did way more damage
     
  11. Still~style

    Still~style Active Member Full Member

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    I thought wililams won by atleast 3 rounds. Margo simply didn't do enough and looked very frustrated with williams. i can see how some have it close (margo lovers) because I remember the crowd orgasming whenever margo landed a punch.
     
  12. Ramshall1

    Ramshall1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I also had it 7-5 for PW. . . even though AM did more damage to PW. PW took the beating and out-pointed him.

    Fraud would not even utter Williams' name, let alone get in the ring with him.
     
  13. Illmatic

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    personally i had it 8-4 williams. margo came on late, but too little too late, especially when you have a habit of giving up early rounds.
     
  14. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    115-113 Williams - It was all about Williams' volume of punches to be reversed by Margarito's punching power and it wasn't in part, and the fact that Tony gave away early rounds ( like against Clottey), startin so slow and picking up the pace just around round 5... Let me make some statements here and considering Jim's, Manny's and Larry's comments:

    1 - Williams did win the psychological game just b.c. he challenged the man most avoided and stood in front of him, traded with him ( not that he would mop the floor with Margo but still) - that influenced the judges a hell of a lot. Jim Lampley was right about that one.

    2 - Margo did block a lot of that high volume of punches early ( more than 100 per round) like Larry observed as early as in the first round, but did not use head movement at all, he didn't bob and weave like his trainer asked him to and so was caught by too many flippin shots ( double, triple jabs, straight lefts, uppercuts and short hooks) from the flexible n versatile, much faster/sharper shooter Williams who also used feints n angles well like his trainer told him to do. Margo didn't put all his weight behind his right hand shots either because of his lack of balance like Manny said.

    3 - Williams straight, sharp and accurate punches carry no weight ( Manny Steward) and as soon as Tony started to get off and they traded, Margarito won almost every round from that point on ( from round 5 or round 6) - also started to close the gap on volume of punches from the fifth on. Tony couldn't connect with the money punch - left hook against the southpaw cuz he would always hit him first with a lead right so he was not wide with all his punches ( wrong call by Steward) - just with the left hook. Margarito's body shots had Williams backin off in the fifth, developed a mouse on his face in the sixth and his upper rights had him cruising most of the last 13 minutes, bleeding and in trouble in the 11th.

    4 - Williams won the fight basically cause he had the stamina to comeback in the ninth ( and after two hard rounds 7th and 8th) and was able to have that last round to prove that he was more consistent along with being faster, busier and with the higher variety of punches - Williams also didn't hold much ( exception for the 7th and Lou Moret's warning) and fought back as hard as he could in the 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th.

    Round 1 - Williams 10-9
    Round 2 - Williams 20-18
    Round 3 - Williams 30-27
    Round 4 - Williams 40-36
    Round 5 - Williams 50-45
    Round 6 - Margarito 55-59
    Round 7 - Margarito 65-68
    Round 8 - Margarito 75-77
    Round 9 - Williams 87-84
    Round 10 - Margarito 94-96
    Round 11 - Margarito 104-105
    Round 12 - Williams 115-113
     
  15. albeziel

    albeziel Multi Viral C13 Full Member

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    Paul Williams won the fight but Margarito landed harder punches at the end of it, he didn't pressure enough at the start, I did notice that even though PW landed some shots AM would laugh, but that laughter was gone when the judges announced their winner.
    Paul Williams has a great reach (heavyweight reach) and very good speed, but in my opinion even though he has KO a lot of people he doesn't have that kind of power