Rewarding ineffective aggression over clean punching, ring generalship and defense?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Faerun, Dec 26, 2012.


  1. Faerun

    Faerun Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes, I'm looking at you, Adamek apologists. Following last weekend's robbery, I did a quick research on what the official scoring criteria are:


    • Clean punching: “Clean” punches are punches that land on the face/side of the head and the front/side of the torso.
    • Effective aggressiveness: A boxer demonstrates this trait when he consistently and successfully moves forward in a controlled manner.
    • Ring generalship: The judges favor the fighter who controls the pace and style of the bout.
    • Defense: Boxers that skillfully incorporate defensive maneuvers receive credit in this area.
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    Surprisingly, the poll thread on who won the fight was not as one-sided as I anticipated. Same thing for the Chambers fight - a big majority had Chambers ahead, but the contrary views were quiet substantial in number.

    According to this bright fella, Cunningham ran all night and that's supposedly not how you win a fight:

    Ignoring the fact that lzolnier is a mentally challenged ultra nationalist who has never seen a fight involving non-Poles, you find that that kind of attitude is hardly unique. People tend to mistake pure aggression for an official scoring criteria when it's not. It's quite the contrary - when you can't land **** your opponent is having a tight defense which is why flurries into thing air and on leather count for the recipient, so in this case Cunningham. Every flurry Adamek failed to land (and that's a lot :lol:), should have been another point on the scorecards for Cunningham. Instead, judges were either crooked, incompetent or both and rewarded mere "looking active" over clean punching, ring generalship and defense. Absolutely mind-boggling. That's how an uneducated idiot would score a fight who has never watched boxing before.
    If I recall correctly, Adamek landed merely ~15% (!) of his punches on Chambers and got the decision for literally hitting thin air all night.
    Also, there's a distinct difference between being on your bicycle and outboxing your opponent on the outside because it's a ****ing brilliant thing to do given your opponent's slow feet and inability to box on the outside. Cunningham imposed HIS style on Adamek, who would have prefered going toe to toe with Steve, but instead Cunningham kept his distance and boxed his ears off. This ain't being on your bicycle, this is having a terrific gameplan. Adamek, who is used to being way faster than your usual fatass Arreola HW contender, moved like a tank compared to Cunningham and yet people (purposely?) mistake it for running. How is Mayweather undefeated to this date when he made a career of potshotting opponents to death on his backfoot?

    Why are people too dense to understand that aggression is simply not an official scoring criteria when it's not effective? And Adamek ain't effective. As wasn't Alexander against Kotelnik. Nor DLH and Cotto against Mayweather. How did you guys have Vitali defeating Chisora when big K was on his backfoot getting stalked all night?
     
  2. jeffjoiner

    jeffjoiner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is a far too common mistake; particularly when watching a fight live. The punches get thrown, the fighters aren't squared up to you, but the crowd reacts. However, that is a mistake that should be made by fans, not judges.

    With the best seat in the house, and a decent set of ears (after all you can hear a solid punch land) this bias should be overcome by a professional judge. If the view from ringside isn't good enough, then put the judges in a room with a tv and the announcers audio muted.
     
  3. igor_otsky

    igor_otsky Undefeated Full Member

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  4. bremen

    bremen Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Adamek landed 45% of his power punches. This is very effective "aggression". SD is a legit result for this fight.
     
  5. dodong

    dodong >>PACQUIAO Full Member

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    the attacker is more at risk....so in an
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    , the boxer that's pushing for the fight should get the round, ineffective or not.
     
  6. Chappy112

    Chappy112 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Harold Lederman scores for all that bollocks as well, all you have to do is walk forward and you get the round it's ****ing pathetic. I seen people saying Cunningham didn't take the fight to Adamek etc but why the **** should he, that's not going to help him by going toe to toe with Adamek when he's the smaller man.

    He CLEARLY outboxed Adamek and landed the cleaner punches throughout the fight, Adamek went crazy in the last 10 seconds of the round. Watching it at the time I scored it 116-112 for USS but on second viewing I scored it 117-111 USS.
     
  7. Chappy112

    Chappy112 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No absolutely not. An even round should be 10-10 and nothing else.
     
  8. Faerun

    Faerun Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Agreed. Absolutely spot on analysis. It's obvious that hometown fighters get cheered on a lot more even they're not effective. There's no excuse as to why judges don't seem to be prepared for this.

    Go ahead, post the compubox statistic and highlight your cherry picked number that's not indicative of the fight's course at all. :good

    Your bull**** agenda to overhype a poor HW Vitali beat to a pulp, to make Vitali's resume actually mean something, is so transparent it's not funny.
     
  9. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    I remember during the fight that those compubox numbers were off
     
  10. purephase

    purephase Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I find American judges suffer from this bias far more than their European counterparts. European judges by contrast seem willing to give rounds to guys for landing one or two shots cleaner than their opponent could manage, never mind if those were the only shots the fighter in question landed the whole round.
     
  11. PolishPummler

    PolishPummler Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Just curious...why dont you start these types of threads when Huck and Sturm receive(multiple) gifts?
     
  12. PolishPummler

    PolishPummler Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Steve was the hometown fighter though:shock:
     
  13. Doc

    Doc Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Sounds like Marquez vs PAC 3 Marquez schooled PACquiao.
     
  14. Ineffective aggression is normally the cause of robberies by inexperienced or terrible judges. Fact of life.

    BTW, you didn't have to do much research... here's a stickied scoring discussion thread right here in the general forum :thumbsup
    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=445751
     
  15. Faerun

    Faerun Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I created the RBR thread for Huck v Arslan and scored it 117-111 for Arslan. The other robbery Huck was involved in, namely the Lebedev fight, I was ringside for and I'm pretty sure I reported on that.

    As for Sturm, I scored his fight against Macklin 116-112 for Mackling I'm pretty sure I was mad at that. Also, you might like
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    . If you're still sceptic, let me know.