Rewatch Canelo vs GGG rematch

I agree they were both great fights. I know we disagree on who won, but I find it interesting that you and Quina thought the first match was closer. Just look at some of the other posts in this topic. Most people who had GGG winning either match seem to think that the rematch was much closer than the first match. Though you and Quina are saying the opposite.

 

I think there is a general misconception in the rematch that GGG was backing up, “running” I've heard some people say and Canelo was “bullying” him.

Honestly what I saw was GGG revert back to his boxing, he stood in the pocket at close to mid range and outboxed Canelo, who let’s not forget took the fight to Golovkin but imo was not nearly as effective.

Golovkin has one of the greatest jabs in history, it’s a truly great weapon and it was utilised to its fullest here, Canelo was excellent in this fight too, however he did not win this fight.

 

OK but you see the disconnect here right? Many GGG fans have been appealing to the consensus to argue that GGG deserved to win either match. (more poeple in the press had GGG winning, more fans had GGG winning, etc)

But that same consensus, that GGG won both matches, is that the rematch was much closer than the first fight. I understand the jab argument, and I think you are discounting the power punching and work rate that Canelo maintained in the rematch particularly over the first 8 or 9 rounds. I had GGG winning rounds 1, 4, 8, 10, and 12 in the rematch. I thought the first 7 rounds were pretty easy to score and the last 5 rounds were very close and hard to score. But of course everyone seems to see it differently. I honestly believe that rounds 8-12 in the rematch were all pretty much toss-ups and each be scored even, they were that close. If you're honest, it's really splitting hairs to find a winner in any of those rounds. I saw it as GGG realizing he was losing, after Abel told him he was in the corner so from that point on GGG really dug in to try to pull out many of the late rounds. And to some extent he did.

But I think it was pretty clear that Canelo built a substantial lead over the first 7 or 8 rounds in the rematch before that point. I know Quina disagrees as he gave GGG rounds 5 and 6 in the rematch, but most people, the vast majority, gave Canelo those rounds. But the point here is that me you and Quina all agree that Canelo did better in the first match. And I would just point out that in my estimation both matches were close and many rounds in each match were hard to score. I'm not looking to fight over who won each match, I'm saying that we might disagree about that, but an area that we agree on is how well Canelo did in the first match and how the first match is more debatable than the rematch was according to you two. Because many people, the same people (the vast majority) who say the rematch was a toss up, see the first match as such a clear GGG win that it's not even debatable, which I find utterly absurd.

 

I look at close rounds as to “which fighter would I like to be at the end of those close rounds” as to who I will lend the round too.

Again, this has been done to death, Canelo got the D and the W, I don’t believe he did, nothing I can do to change the decision.

 

I agree it's been done to death but it remains a source of tension and division. I'm not interested in rehashing any of these debates or fighting over who won, except to point out that you and Quina, while you agree that GGG won the rematch, you also disagree with the consensus in terms of which match was closer. Quina even says people who think the rematch was closer are "dumbasses". That's pretty much everybody it seems. Though I'm with you guys in the sense that I had Canelo winning the first match more clearly than I had him winning the rematch. (even though we disagreed on who won)

 

Well I honestly don’t know where or what you want me to go with this?

 

We agree that Canelo did better the first time than in the rematch. Most people seem to think the opposite. Even if you think GGG won both matches, I object to the idea that either match, particularly the first match, was won clearly and can't be debated.

 

Okay, well have a good night.

 

The main thing is just understanding that you and Quina disagree with the consensus as it relates to which match was "closer". (Closer in terms of the view that GGG won both)

And I think this highlights a very important contradiction amongst GGG fans or people who thought GGG won both fights. That you can't seem to agree on which match was closer. So if you or Quina disagree so strongly with the press scoring or the consensus amongst fans of which match was closer, then you can't use the press scoring or the consensus amongst fans to support your argument that GGG won either match. Because if that was such a reliable metric, then you wouldn't be in such conflict with that in terms of which match was closer.

 

He is old and just wants to get paid. Canelo is the money cow, and GGG knows at this stage he can lose to anybody especially if he has an off night. He doesn't want to risk it.

 

Enough now kidder.... have a beer, watch the boxing and ride a woman, Canelo doesn’t even know you exist.

This is the last time I’ll reply to you on this subject.

 

The second fight actually deserved to be a draw

 

And he got it.

 

That two wrongs don't make a right.

 

It's funny but I had the exact opposite conclusion after re watching the 2nd fight.

On first viewing I thought Canelo edged it, then rewatching it I had GGG winning again